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Old 07-18-2007, 10:10 AM
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Well that's lucid.
Yeh suppose it is light and easy to understand...so why so many Christians?
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Yeh suppose it is light and easy to understand...so why so many Christians?
Why not? We've got everything else under the sun (and a few things beyond it).
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Why not? We've got everything else under the sun (and a few things beyond it).
Yeh so did Babylon...
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Paul teaches that Jesus' death was actually a necessary sacrificial offering for the sins of mankind, without which, our sins could not be forgiven.

However, according to some passages in the NT, Jesus Himself contradicts this view. Jesus clearly states that He had authority to forgive sins while living, without any necessity for/of His death:
Matt 9:5-6 "Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. . . ."

It is also clear that Jesus bestowed this authority to certain of His close 'initiated' disciples:
John 20:22-23 "And with that he [Jesus] breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

This is plainly in contradiction to the false theology of Paul.

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Revelation 13:8- And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

1stPeter1:20- Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The people before looked forward, the people after looked back, and the cross is in the middle, but it was for everyone past and future. And was forordained before the world began.
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Babylon was a greater nation than Israel ever thought of being, too. So what?

Choice is good. I say that every time I go to the cafeteria, or sit down to watch satellite TV. God created us with choice and God created us good. It's not the variety, it's how we use the variety.
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