Sinners in the hands of an angry God (moral, gospel)

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Found it,



It was in the fridge behind this...

Mmmm..... Unexplained beer.....

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Mutton! What a disgrace to the sandwich eating world! I would not have a mutton in my house!

It's a line from Billy Crystal as The Great Max in Princess Bride.

Now LAMB nicely roasted, that would be fine--or kid! But good ol' bacon is easiest to obtain.

Regards,
Scott

[MysticSang'ha]

Originally Posted by MysticSang'ha

As you wish.

Whoa! Yet another line from The Princess Bride. LOL Go figure!

I wanna give April a big squishy hug.

And Mike if he'd let me.




Peace,
Mystic

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Irony alert. By what standard do you know they are doing so but you aren't? They all say the same thing about you BTW. (and I freely admit that whatever I think are the attributes of God are products of my own imagination and projection - even if I found words in the Bible I think represent these attributes)

But let's digress for a moment. Explain to me what "God is love" means to you.


As for "anger issues with the Lord," that would be impossible as I don't imagine there's anything to be angry with. Unimpressed with your sock puppet "God" whom you're calling "Lord"? Yeah . . . that'd be closer to the facts.

I agree, I do the same things as the Bible says:

Romans 2
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I John 1
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

What do I mean that God is Love? Well, the Bible says that:

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

One way to me that God is love is that:

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

I was a poor, lost, hopeless, undeserving sinner whom God died to save, freely pardoning my sin in His mercy and grace because of what Jesus did for me. That is love. And because He is love, He is just...

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by sojourner

I don't want to speculate what kind of model you had for a father. But my father (and certainly my heavenly father) would not condemn me eternally for turning away from him in my childish errancy. No real father would!

No, a real father would wait patiently until his son returned, and would greet him with open arms. If our earthly, human and fallible fathers can do that, how much more is God able to do?

I don't think God is at all fair. How dare God save me, who has been good and tried hard all my life, and then turn around and save someone who has been notoriously evil and then had a deathbed conversion? Now That's unfair (and thank God for it!!!)

My father is wonderful thanks. Apparently we read different Bibles. Before we become God's children by believing in Jesus, the Bible says we are children of darkness, children of disobedience, and children of wrath. Only when we become children of God do we enter into a father/son relationship with Him, and all who come to Him He will in no wise cast out.

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

I find it strange to hear you say God is love and then you launch into an essay on the Wrath of God, supporting the thesis that God is destruction.

Regards,
Scott

I find it strange to hear you say God is love and not warn people of His justice.
Hebrews 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Deuteronomy 4:24
For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by sojourner

We read the Bible out of its original context of time, place, culture, etc. In order to exegete a particular passage, it's necessary to "get out of our own head" and "into the head" of the author. What is written might not even be authentic.

Therefore, what some ancient, Middle Eastern author "says" on paper, is likely to be taken by modern, American readers completely differently.

One can only communicate within one's own understanding. That's why it's important that we come to understand the writer's theological take, the limitations and quirks of the language, the problem of translation, and then seek to understand how that communication applies in our own world.

I'm sure that the writer meant what he wrote, and wrote it in such manner that would openly communicate his meaning to his intended audience. We are not the "intended audience." Therefore, it's not the writer's pen that's to blame. It's our eyes that are to blame. Wearing proper spectacles is called exegesis.

What's going on here is squinting and mistaking mailboxes for possums.

Baloney, the Bible is pretty clear, but go ahead and ignore 2/3rds of it, its your right.

12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by joeboonda

Baloney, the Bible is pretty clear, but go ahead and ignore 2/3rds of it, its your right.

12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Are you saying that the context of the time it was written doesn't matter?

[joeboonda]

In light of the tragic bridge collapse, that was thought to be a solid structure, how Edward's words echo:


"It is no security to wicked men for one moment, that there are no visible means of death at hand. ‘Tis no security to a natural man, that he is now in health, and that he don’t see which way he should now immediately go out of the world by any accident, and that there is no visible danger in any respect in his circumstances. The manifold and continual experience of the world in all ages, shows that this is no evidence that a man is not on the very brink of eternity, and that the next step won’t be into another world. The unseen, unthought of ways and means of persons going suddenly out of the world are innumerable and inconceivable. Unconverted men walk over the pit of hell on a rotten covering, and there are innumerable places in this covering so weak that they won’t bear their weight, and these places are not seen. The arrows of death fly unseen at noonday; the sharpest sight can’t discern them. God has so many different unsearchable ways of taking wicked men out of the world and sending ‘em to hell, that there is nothing to make it appear that God had need to be at the expense of a miracle, or go out of the ordinary course of his providence, to destroy any wicked man, at any moment."

[joeboonda]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

Are you saying that the context of the time it was written doesn't matter?

No I am saying that God gave us His written Word that we may be completely furnished for all He would have us know and do and that we can understand it under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. People are in the same condition today as they were back then, hopelessly lost sinners, and people get saved today the same way they did back then, by believing in Jesus Christ. When the Bible says some will go to everlasting punishment and some to everlasting life, and repeats it several times and warns us repeatedly of it, and tells how God provided at great cost the way to avoid it, and we ignore the parts we don't like, it is at our own peril.