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Old 07-30-2007, 07:09 PM
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As has been stated, Jesus did warn us of something, and died to protect us from it. If that is promoting fear to you then so be it, however I would say it is right to warn us if we are indeed in danger, and Christ made that very clear. I will keep my faith in God's promises, if I am wrong then I have lived a life of peace, love, and hope if nothing else.
Believing in ancient myths is not the best path to a fulfilling life.
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:40 PM
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The Bible teaches that Christ paid for all the sin of the world, BUT, it says we MUST BELIEVE IN CHRIST, to have that applied to us:
So the eternal status of our souls is determined by drawing one single conclusion?
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Believing in ancient myths is not the best path to a fulfilling life.
Maybe not for you. But for other people, it is.
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Old 07-31-2007, 08:13 AM
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Wanderer, Jesus has been good to me, that's all I can tell you.
Mercy Not Sacrifice, that is what Jesus said to do, do you understand what He meant by it?
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Old 07-31-2007, 09:27 AM
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I still go back to the parable of the Prodigal. When the son left home with the inheritance, and wasted it all, we are not told that the father was angry. We're told that the father was hopeful, and patient, and waited by the door, watching for the son to return. When he did, the father did not smack him across the face in anger and have a come-to-Jesus meeting with him. He was so pleased to see him that he didn't even let the son finish his apology, but put his best clothes on him and had a party.

Yes, we are sinners. Are we in the hands of an angry God? I just don't think so. I think we need to dispense with the punitive ideas we have of God and embrace the hopeful, patient, loving God instead. Ultimately, that will draw more people to God.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:05 AM
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I still go back to the parable of the Prodigal. When the son left home with the inheritance, and wasted it all, we are not told that the father was angry. We're told that the father was hopeful, and patient, and waited by the door, watching for the son to return. When he did, the father did not smack him across the face in anger and have a come-to-Jesus meeting with him. He was so pleased to see him that he didn't even let the son finish his apology, but put his best clothes on him and had a party.

Yes, we are sinners. Are we in the hands of an angry God? I just don't think so. I think we need to dispense with the punitive ideas we have of God and embrace the hopeful, patient, loving God instead. Ultimately, that will draw more people to God.
To toss aside God's attribute of justice and the doctrine of eternal punishment, we would have to throw out much of the Bible. While God is love, He is also just. The prodigal was able to come back to his FATHER, of whom he was a SON, because he was his SON, as we BECOME children of God when we have trusted Christ, who took the full wrath of God on Himself for our sin in our place. Look at the cross, God is NOT light on sin, but we may be thankful that Jesus took the penalty of sin for all who have trusted in Him. For others, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." "For our God is a consuming fire."
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:17 AM
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To toss aside God's attribute of justice and the doctrine of eternal punishment, we would have to throw out much of the Bible. While God is love, He is also just. The prodigal was able to come back to his FATHER, of whom he was a SON, because he was his SON, as we BECOME children of God when we have trusted Christ, who took the full wrath of God on Himself for our sin in our place. Look at the cross, God is NOT light on sin, but we may be thankful that Jesus took the penalty of sin for all who have trusted in Him. For others, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." "For our God is a consuming fire."
I agree.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:26 AM
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To toss aside God's attribute of justice and the doctrine of eternal punishment, we would have to throw out much of the Bible. While God is love, He is also just. The prodigal was able to come back to his FATHER, of whom he was a SON, because he was his SON, as we BECOME children of God when we have trusted Christ, who took the full wrath of God on Himself for our sin in our place. Look at the cross, God is NOT light on sin, but we may be thankful that Jesus took the penalty of sin for all who have trusted in Him. For others, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." "For our God is a consuming fire."
What is just about eternal condemnation?
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To toss aside God's attribute of justice and the doctrine of eternal punishment, we would have to throw out much of the Bible.
Nonsense. You'd just have to start reading it as wisdom/mythology and become aware of how you project your own prejudices and egotism into the Bible in choosing the passages to focus upon and in interpreting those passages.
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What is just about eternal condemnation?
Ask Jesus, or Daniel, They said some will go to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishment. God is love and therefore just. Take the two men who murdered that doctor's wife and daughters and beat him badly. (among other things) Our own human justice demands they be held accountable and pay for their crimes. They are actually seeking the death penalty. If it were your wife and daughters, you would want justice, would you not? And yes, they can be forgiven IF they are truly sorry for their crime and call upon the Lord for mercy. Well, God is just also and this is the clear Bible teaching. This is my final authority, not every wind of doctrine.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
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And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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