The first resurrection/rapture will happen in the middle of the final 7 years spoken of by Daniel (Jesus Christ, reject)

[FFH]

Daniel spoke of the church (woman) giving birth to a child (saints) who were then carried away into heaven, during the middle of the tribulation, which is what many Christians call the final 7 years of this earth's existence as we know it, which Daniel has clearly prophesied...

There is no mention, by Daniel, of a pre-trib resurrection/rapture, only a mid-trib resurrection/rapture of the saints of God, just before or just after the "abomination... (image of the antichrist) ...of desolation"... (that which causes many desolations to occur) is set up in a newly built Jewish temple..

I'll look up the scriptures concerning this in a bit...

In order for us to be purified, we must pass through part of this final 7 year tribulation period, which will serve to make us stronger and more determined to serve God in every way...

We will clearly begin to see what will begin to unfold for those who choose not to obey the laws that govern this universe, concerning our own happiness and joy....

All views concerning the first resurrection/rapture are welcome !!!

I can hear all the cries "we don't know the day or the hour".

Yes this is true, but we can know the general time frame and Jesus Christ has commanded us to do just that by watching and praying and discerning the times we live in...

We are that generation, Christ spoke of, who will meet him in the air/clouds at his first appearing...

[FFH]

This space reserved for scriptures concerning this, which I'll post later...

[Popeyesays]

The end of days, according to Daniel was completed in 1844 AD. So why should I worry now?

regards,
Scott

[FFH]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

The end of days, according to Daniel was completed in 1844 AD. So why should I worry now?

regards,
Scott

Wow, very interesting. Is this a Baha'i teaching ???

This was also the year Joseph Smith was killed.

I believe the final 7 year tribulation period started in the fall of 2006 and will continue through the fall of 2013.

[FatMan]

Originally Posted by FFH

I believe the final 7 year tribulation period started in the fall of 2006 and will continue through the fall of 2013.

What would lead you to believe that?

[FFH]

Originally Posted by FatMan

What would lead you to believe that?

The many prophecies of the last days can be discerned by watching the events occuring in Israel...

It's a literal Bible prophecy timetable which lets us know where we are as far as end time prophecies are concerned..

Certain events must occur before other events can occur, according to revealed inspired scripture.

The President of Iran announced that Israel must be wiped off the map and has determined to do just that...

A taste of what will befall the Jews in the coming years started in the year 2006, with the Lebanon/Israeli war which was orchestrated by the President of Iran, Mahmoud Amahdinjad, a modern day hitler for sure, but he will give his power, as will many other nations, to the beast (the final antichrist) who will set up his image in the newly built Jewish temple, which will mark the beginning of the second half of the final 7 years of this earth's existence as we know it.

3 1/2 years of mild tribulation
Image of the antichrist set up in a newly built Jewis temple
3 1/2 years of great tribulation

2006 (Mahmoud declares war on the Jews)
2010 (Jewish temple is completed and the antichrist sets up his image in the temple, which marks the beginning of the end)
2010 to 2013 (final antichrist rules and causes everyone to take upon themselves his mark, otherwise you cannot buy or sell) This will probably only affect Israel and the surrounding nations. I doubt it will ever affect the U.S. and other nations further away from that area, where this prophecy is centered..

We can't take this prophecy to include the whole world, unless it becomes completely wicked and foolish..

Prophecies concerning the final 7 years (tribulation) generally are centered around Jerusalem and the events which will transpire there and the surrounding areas of Europe and the middle east....

An extreme focus will be on Israel more and more as we pass through these last 7 years until the end, which should follow shortly after these 7 years, probably within a matter of days, weeks or months.. and then Christ will set up his kingdom on earth...

Just the way I see it. I could be totally off, but am pretty confident. Only time will tell...

If construction starts on the Jewish temple, which is then completed in 2009/10 then we know we are in that final 7 year period spoken of by Daniel

[Popeyesays]

I'm just going t post the Essay by Abdu'l Baha on The Book od Daniel. It will take about three or four posts, I guess:

"TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL
Today, at table, let us speak for a little of proofs. If you had come to this blessed place in the days of the manifestation of the evident Light,[1] if you had attained to the court of His presence, and had witnessed His luminous beauty, you would have understood that His teachings and perfection were not in need of further evidence.
[1 Bahá'u'lláh.]
Only through the honor of entering His presence, many souls became confirmed believers; they had no need of other proofs. Even those people who rejected and hated Him bitterly, when they had met Him, would testify to the grandeur of Bahá'u'lláh, saying, "This is a magnificent man, but what a pity that he makes such a claim! Otherwise, all that he says is acceptable."
But now, as that Light of Reality has set, all are in need of proofs; so we have undertaken to demonstrate rational proofs of the truth of His claim. We will cite another which alone is sufficient for all who are just, and which no one can deny. It is that this illustrious Being uplifted His Cause in the "Greatest Prison"[1] from this Prison His light was shed abroad, His fame conquered the world, and the proclamation of His glory reached the East and West. Until our time no such thing has ever occurred.
[1 'Akká.]
If there be justice, this will be acknowledged; but there are some people who, even if all the proofs in the world be adduced before them, still will not judge justly! 37
Thus nations and states with all their strength could not resist Him. Verily, single and alone, imprisoned and oppressed, He accomplished whatever He desired.
I do not wish to mention the miracles of Bahá'u'lláh, for it may perhaps be said that these are traditions, liable both to truth and to error, like the accounts of the miracles of Christ in the Gospel, which come to us from the apostles, and not from anyone else, and are denied by the Jews. Though if I wish to mention the supernatural acts of Bahá'u'lláh, they are numerous; they are acknowledged in the Orient, and even by some non-Bahá'ís. But these narratives are not decisive proofs and evidences to all; the hearer might perhaps say that this account may not be in accordance with what occurred, for it is known that other sects recount miracles performed by their founders. For instance, the followers of Brahmanism relate miracles. From what evidence may we know that those are false and that these are true? If these are fables, the others also are fables; if these are generally accepted, so also the others are generally accepted. Consequently, these accounts are not satisfactory proofs. Yes, miracles are proofs for the eyewitness only, and even he may regard them not as a miracle but as an enchantment. Extraordinary feats have also been related of some conjurors.
Briefly, my meaning is that many wonderful things were done by Bahá'u'lláh, but we do not recount them, as they do not constitute proofs and evidences for all the peoples of the earth, and they are not decisive proofs even for those who see them: they may think that they are merely enchantments.
Also, most of the miracles of the Prophets which are mentioned have an inner significance. For instance, in the Gospel it is written that at the martyrdom of Christ darkness prevailed, and the earth quaked, and the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the dead came forth from their graves. If these events had 38 happened, they would indeed have been awesome, and would certainly have been recorded in the history of the times. They would have become the cause of much troublings of heart. Either the soldiers would have taken down Christ from the cross, or they would have fled. These events are not related in any history; therefore, it is evident they ought not to be taken literally, but as having an inner significance.[1]
[1 Cf. "Miracles," p. 100.]
Our purpose is not to deny such miracles; our only meaning is that they do not constitute decisive proofs, and that they have an inner significance.
Accordingly, today, at table, we will refer to the explanation of the traditional proofs which are in the Holy Books. Until now, all that we have spoken of are rational proofs.
The state in which one should be to seriously search for the truth is the condition of the thirsty, burning soul desiring the water of life, of the fish struggling to reach the sea, of the sufferer seeking for the true doctor to obtain the divine cure, of the lost caravan endeavoring to find the right road, of the lost and wandering ship striving to reach the shore of salvation.
Therefore, the seeker must be endowed with certain qualities. First of all, he must be just and severed from all else save God; his heart must be entirely turned to the supreme horizon; he must be free from the bondage of self and passion, for all these are obstacles. Furthermore, he must be able to endure all hardships. He must be absolutely pure and sanctified, and free from the love or the hatred of the inhabitants of the world. Why? because the fact of his love for any person or thing might prevent him from recognizing the truth in another, and, in the same way, hatred for anything might be a hindrance in discerning truth. This is the condition of seeking, and the 39 seeker must have these qualities and attributes. Until he reaches this condition, it is not possible for him to attain to the Sun of Reality.
(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 35)

[Popeyesays]

continued:

"Let us now return to our subject. All the peoples of the world are awaiting two Manifestations, Who must be contemporaneous; all wait for the fulfillment of this promise. In the Bible the Jews have the promise of the Lord of Hosts and the Messiah; in the Gospel the return of Christ and Elijah is promised.
In the religion of Muhammad there is the promise of the Mihdi and the Messiah, and it is the same with the Zoroastrian and the other religions, but if we relate these matters in detail, it would take too long. The essential fact is that all are promised two Manifestations, Who will come, one following on the other. It has been prophesied that in the time of these two Manifestations the earth will be transformed, the world of existence will be renewed, and beings will be clothed in new garments. Justice and truth will encompass the world; enmity and hatred will disappear; all causes of division among peoples, races and nations will vanish; and the cause of union, harmony and concord will appear. The negligent will awake, the blind will see, the deaf will hear, the dumb will speak, the sick will be cured, the dead will arise. War will give place to peace, enmity will be conquered by love, the causes of dispute and wrangling will be entirely removed, and true felicity will be attained. The world will become the mirror of the Heavenly Kingdom; humanity will be the Throne of Divinity. All nations will become one; all religions will be unified; all individual men will become of one family and of one kindred. All the regions of the earth will become one; the superstitions caused by races, countries, individuals, languages and politics will disappear; and all men will attain to life eternal, under the shadow of the Lord of Hosts. 40
Now we must prove from the Holy Books that these two Manifestations have come, and we must divine the meaning of the words of the Prophets, for we wish for proofs drawn from the Holy Books.
A few days ago, at table, we put forth rational proofs establishing the truth of these two Manifestations.
To conclude: in the Book of Daniel, from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the martyrdom of Christ, seventy weeks are appointed; for by the martyrdom of Christ the sacrifice is accomplished and the altar destroyed.[1] This is a prophecy of the manifestation of Christ. These seventy weeks begin with the restoration and the rebuilding of Jerusalem, concerning which four edicts were issued by three kings.
[1 See Dan. 9:24.]
The first was issued by Cyrus in the year 536 B.C.; this is recorded in the first chapter of the Book of Ezra. The second edict, with reference to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, is that of Darius of Persia in the year 519 B.C.; this is recorded in the sixth chapter of Ezra. The third is that of Artaxerxes in the seventh year of his reign -- that is, in 457 B.C.; this is recorded in the seventh chapter of Ezra. The fourth is that of Artaxerxes in the year 444 B.C.; this is recorded in the second chapter of Nehemiah.
But Daniel refers especially to the third edict which was issued in the year 457 B.C. Seventy weeks make four hundred and ninety days. Each day, according to the text of the Holy Book, is a year. For in the Bible it is said: "The day of the Lord is one year.[1] Therefore, four hundred and ninety days are four hundred and ninety years. The third edict of Artaxerxes was issued four hundred and fifty-seven years before the birth of Christ, and Christ when He was martyred and ascended was thirty-three years of age. When you add thirty-three to four hundred 41 and fifty-seven, the result is four hundred and ninety, which is the time announced by Daniel for the manifestation of Christ.
[1 Cf. Num. 14:34.]
But in the twenty-fifth verse of the ninth chapter of the Book of Daniel this is expressed in another manner, as seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; and apparently this differs from the first saying. Many have remained perplexed at these differences, trying to reconcile these two statements. How can seventy weeks be right in one place, and sixty-two weeks and seven weeks in another? These two sayings do not accord.
But Daniel mentions two dates. One of these dates begins with the command of Artaxerxes to Ezra to rebuild Jerusalem: this is the seventy weeks which came to an end with the ascension of Christ, when by His martyrdom the sacrifice and oblation ceased.
The second period, which is found in the twenty-sixth verse, means that after the termination of the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the ascension of Christ, there will be sixty-two weeks: the seven weeks are the duration of the rebuilding of Jerusalem, which took forty-nine years. When you add these seven weeks to the sixty-two weeks, it makes sixty-nine weeks, and in the last week (69-70) the ascension of Christ took place. These seventy weeks are thus completed, and there is no contradiction.
Now that the manifestation of Christ has been proved by the prophecies of Daniel, let us prove the manifestations of Bahá'u'lláh and of the Báb. Up to the present we have only mentioned rational proofs; now we shall speak of traditional proofs.
In the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, verse thirteen, it is said: "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary 42 and the host to be trodden under foot?" Then he answered (v. 14): "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed"; (v. 17) "But he said unto me ... at the time of the end shall be the vision." That is to say, how long will this misfortune, this ruin, this abasement and degradation last? meaning, when will be the dawn of the Manifestation? Then he answered, "Two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Briefly, the purport of this passage is that he appoints two thousand three hundred years, for in the text of the Bible each day is a year. Then from the date of the issuing of the edict of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem until the day of the birth of Christ there are 456 years, and from the birth of Christ until the day of the manifestation of the Báb there are 1844 years. When you add 456 years to this number it makes 2300 years. That is to say, the fulfillment of the vision of Daniel took place in the year A.D. 1844, and this is the year of the BÁB'S manifestation according to the actual text of the Book of Daniel. Consider how clearly he determines the year of manifestation; there could be no clearer prophecy for a manifestation than this."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 38)

[Popeyesays]

Last:
"In Matthew, chapter 24, verse 3, Christ clearly says that what Daniel meant by this prophecy was the date of the manifestation, and this is the verse: "As He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" One of the explanations He gave them in reply was this (v. 15): "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)." In this answer He referred them to the eighth chapter of the Book of Daniel, saying that everyone who reads it will understand that it is this time that is spoken of. Consider how clearly the manifestation of the Báb is spoken 43 of in the Old Testament and in the Gospel.
To conclude, let us now explain the date of the manifestation of Bahá'u'lláh from the Bible. The date of Bahá'u'lláh is calculated according to lunar years from the mission and the Hejira of Muhammad; for in the religion of Muhammad the lunar year is in use, as also it is the lunar year which is employed concerning all commands of worship.
In Daniel, chapter 12, verse 6, it is said: "And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and that when He shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."[1]
[1 Cf. Dan. 12:6-7.]
As I have already explained the signification of one day, it is not necessary to explain it further; but we will say briefly that each day of the Father counts as a year, and in each year there are twelve months. Thus three years and a half make forty-two months, and forty-two months are twelve hundred and sixty days. The Báb, the precursor of Bahá'u'lláh, appeared in the year 1260 from the Hejira of Muhammad, by the reckoning of Islam.
Afterward, in verse 11, it is said: "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolation be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."[1]
[1 The reference appears in verses 11 and 12.]
The beginning of this lunar reckoning is from the day of the proclamation of the prophethood of Muhammad in the 44 country of Hijaz; and that was three years after His mission, because in the beginning the prophethood of Muhammad was kept secret, and no one knew it save Khadijah and Ibn Nawfal.[1] After three years it was announced. And Bahá'u'lláh, in the year 1290 from the proclamation of the mission of Muhammad, caused His manifestation to be known.[2]
[1 Varaqat-Ibn-Nawfal, Khadijah's cousin.]
[2 The year 1290 from the proclamation of the mission of Muhammad was the year 1280 of the Hejira, or 1863-64 of our era. It was at this epoch (April 1863) that Bahá'u'lláh, on leaving Baghdad for Constantinople, declared to those who surrounded Him that He was the Manifestation announced by the Báb.
It is this declaration which the Bahá'ís celebrate by the Feast of Ridvan, this name being that of the garden at the entrance of the city, where Bahá'u'lláh stayed during twelve days, and where He made the declaration. 45
(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 42)

[FFH]

Your post Popeye is along these same lines as this teaching, which I will post a link to, just the dates and facts are a bit different, which suggests the final 7 year period of tribulation Spoken of by Daniel, started in 2006 and will end in 2013..

Originally Posted by FFH

I believe the final 7 year tribulation period started in the fall of 2006 and will continue through the fall of 2013.

Originally Posted by Fatman

What would lead you to believe that?

This teaching calculates the start of the tribulation (final 7 year period) starting with the year 2006.

SEE THIS LINK: http://www.exodus2006.com/2daniel.htm

The Bible codes also state that the beginning of the tribulation started on August 6, 2006.

SEE THIS LINK: http://exodus2006.com/First_Seal.htm

I can already hear the mocking and laughing.

Not necessarily by you Fatman, but by other's for sure...

Time will prove this to be true or false, just posting this stuff for what it's worth...

It seems to all add up...