non-muslims verdict on prophet Muhammad (Jesus, ritual, Moses, virgin)

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Bro Benign6, i guess you will learn sooner or later, that threads such as these only invite disparaging remarks about everything associated with Islam, muslims, Allah, Muhammad, etc. You will find that here not unlike many other places, people simply dislike Muhammad(saw) and everything he stood for. The charges of pedophilia, murderer, fraud, con-man, etc have all been stated and restated here more times than I care to remember. If you don't like these types of remarks (and I know you don't) it would do well not to invite them. I love prophet as much as you apparently do, but I daresy the muslims (mayhaps with the exception of bahai's) are the only ones you are going to find who even respects him, much less love him or have anything good to say about him at all. From the non muslims you'll basically find feelings ranging from indifference to hatred.


As long as you don't break a rule benign6, you can make any thread you wish. If people want to know anything about Islam including the Prophet, they know where to look.

[Mestemia]

Another problem is that far to many Muslims on this forum refuse to merely answer questions about Islam and/or Mohammad with out accusing the asker of all manner of crap or trying to dictate to them what they do and do not know, believe and/or understand about Islam and Mohammad.

[fullyveiled muslimah]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Another problem is that far to many Muslims on this forum refuse to merely answer questions about Islam and/or Mohammad with out accusing the asker of all manner of crap or trying to dictate to them what they do and do not know, believe and/or understand about Islam and Mohammad.

I take exception to that because the Islam DIR is just as opne as any other on this site. But when we constantly have to asnwer whether or not he's a pedophile it can get frustrating. You may or may not understand that, but that's the way it is. Members who have posted question in Islam DIR has had no problem getting the question answered to my knowledge. I feel that most of the muslims on this site have been no less civil than anyone else on this site when our beliefs are attacked. If we could get a little decency when asked a question, we'd answer it. I don't think we feed the posters here a bunch of crap about Islam, and if we do I'd like to hear that from more members.

[not4me]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Another problem is that far to many Muslims on this forum refuse to merely answer questions about Islam and/or Mohammad with out accusing the asker of all manner of crap or trying to dictate to them what they do and do not know, believe and/or understand about Islam and Mohammad.

When someone asks whatever he wants in a polite manner, then i believe muslims won't have any problem. But it won't be very nice when you degrade Muhammad in front of muslims and still need to know their replies. When some body tells you Muhammad is a corrupt, killer...etc. how should any muslim re-act?
I believe there is a difference between making a good point and between picking some nasty words and sticking them together and wanting some reply after that!!!
Or maybe they need to ask some good questions to hear some good answers!!
But to be honest with you, i have seen my brothers and sisters showing much patience and decency even when it comes to the offensive questions and remarks.

Check this thread, please! Very disappointing!!

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by fullyveiled muslimah

I take exception to that because the Islam DIR is just as opne as any other on this site. But when we constantly have to asnwer whether or not he's a pedophile it can get frustrating. You may or may not understand that, but that's the way it is. Members who have posted question in Islam DIR has had no problem getting the question answered to my knowledge. I feel that most of the muslims on this site have been no less civil than anyone else on this site when our beliefs are attacked. If we could get a little decency when asked a question, we'd answer it. I don't think we feed the posters here a bunch of crap about Islam, and if we do I'd like to hear that from more members.

I disagree.
Some miracles of the word Allah


Another prime example was in one of the "is mohammad a pedophile?" threads when I was asking a few questions and then had my beliefs, knowledge and understanding of the matter DICTATED to me by not one but two Muslims.

The decency thing runs both ways, at least it should anyway.
Problem is that there are Muslims (and I am not saying saying that it is only Muslims who do this) who may well preach it should be both ways, but who do not practice what it is they preach.

You will notice that after my reply to your post that I linked above, I have not stepped back into that thread.
Since it is painfully obvious that Muslims in that thread will only see anything posted they deem as negative as a full fledged attack on Islam and I refuse to get sucked into a "*********" argument.

[Katzpur]

My goodness, I didn't even know he was on trial. I guess I missed out on getting selected for jury duty. Somehow I thought that God was supposed to be the only judge and that He wasn't going to rely on our verdict. Man, am I ever confused.

[not4me]

Mestemia,
Honestly, i don't know what happened in that thread but Fullyveiled Muslimah who your talking about, is one of the best muslims i have ever seen not only on the forums but in my whole life. I've never seen her talking in an indecent manner even if she was under attack but always tries to explain Islam and her point of view in the best way.

But there is something i want to say, when non-muslims engage in a discussion with muslims, mostly you will find the non muslims trying to prove either Islam is a religion of violence or Islam advocates killing of non muslims or um...Islam represses women....etc. (If you checked the link i gave you, you would know what i am talking about, but apparently you didn't) consequently, this led muslims to be in the position of defending their religion. Let me give you an example, an orientalist came and said "Allah" was the moon god in Arabia before Islam (which is not true) anyways, after that what happened? when you talk to many non muslims they tell you your God is the moon God and such. Those non muslims did nothing except reading some misleading info on a website or something and repeated it in front of muslims. In the beginning maybe muslims would try to correct this misunderstanding in a nice way and step by step. But when it's being repeated zillions of time, this would be annoying to muslims.
But if we returned to the moon God thing and asked ourselves, what's its significance? I mean how it would make a difference if "Allah" was used to call a moon god or sun god if Islam gave a different understanding of God. Really, when i see some non muslims say the moon god thing, i feel i want to say, don't you know how stupid what your saying?! Don't you even think about it?!!

There is a certain image have been drawn in non-muslims' minds about Islam from non muslims' sources that in many cases want to distort the image of Islam and those non muslims think they know something about Islam but in fact they don't. And if you looked at what they know, you would find it very superficial and very silly, really! Muslims are not machines, at some time, they will express their frustration especially when the same thing become repeated for the thousand time in front of them.

I am not saying that muslims are always right, on the contrary, i blame myself and muslims in general for this misunderstanding about Islam. We didn't do much to introduce and explain Islam to them properly. When i say explaining and introducing Islam is not by words only but by actions; by their good characters.

What i am asking you Mestemia, please try to understand the pressure put on muslims, muslims are under microscope and we have our limits. And, please, can't we get out of the circle of repeating the same meaningless topics that don't represent even 1/1000 of Islam?

Keep in your mind, most of muslims here on RF are doing their best in explaining Islam and in the most civilized manner.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by benign6

"lf a man like Muhammed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness."
George Bernard Shaw
"People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same."
Professor Jules Masserman
"Head of the State as well as the Church, lie was Caesar and Pope in one, but, he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. ft ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhummed. for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not tor the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.""
Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith
"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him."
Diwan Chand Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, p. 122.
"Four year after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . . "
John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D., A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp 329-330.
"In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and tem