Are equal rights for gays incompatible with religious liberty? (homosexuality, marriage)

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Green Gaia

With more and more people accepting GBLT people as they there, religious conservatives are starting to lose the argument that GBLT people are fundamentality flawed and should therefore not have equal civil rights to them. In response to that trend, one thing I've noticed is religious conservatives claiming that treating gays like fully equal citizens and human beings is incompatible with the conservatives' religious liberty. Are they right?

This is not a "Is homosexuality wrong?" thread or a debate on same gender marriage. Please stick to the question asked.

The "fundamentally flawed" argument was used to support the evil thought that anything but white was inferior.

As religious freedom is applicable to all, the conservatives are wrong to impose thier religious beliefs on those believing the conservatives have "missed the boat".

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by Green Gaia

Civil is generally accepted as secular. No one is suggesting that religious institutions be made to marry anyone, gay or straight, that they don't want to. (Why anyone thinks a same gender couple would want to be married in a church that despises them is beyond me). The lie that they will be forced to do such is just propaganda from the religious conservatives designed to scare people into opposing equal civil rights for GBLT people.

i think despise is quite a harsh word to use, and in the majority of cases not accurate either...

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by Mike182

i think despise is quite a harsh word to use, and in the majority of cases not accurate either...

The end result is still the same.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Mike182

i think despise is quite a harsh word to use, and in the majority of cases not accurate either...

Green Ghia is right.

She quantified "despised" by saying "a church that despises". The question is only how many homophobic "churches" fit that category.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Green Gaia

With more and more people accepting GBLT people as they there, religious conservatives are starting to lose the argument that GBLT people are fundamentality flawed and should therefore not have equal civil rights to them. In response to that trend, one thing I've noticed is religious conservatives claiming that treating gays like fully equal citizens and human beings is incompatible with the conservatives' religious liberty. Are they right?

This is not a "Is homosexuality wrong?" thread or a debate on same gender marriage. Please stick to the question asked.

being cynical, I replied "No more so than religious liberty is incompatible with any other form of civil rights."

Because although I see no reason why there should be incompatability with religions, and I don't see many religions "compromising", I think I am in the minority.

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by Mike182

i think despise is quite a harsh word to use, and in the majority of cases not accurate either...

I can see why you would think that, but consider the definition given below and I do think it is an accurate portrayal of how many conservative churches view same gender couples. At the very least it is how many GLBT people feel they are view by such institutions in our country.

Despise:

1. To regard with contempt or scorn
2. To dislike intensely; loathe
3. To regard as unworthy of one's interest or concern

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by Green Gaia

Good to see you again, Eric!

Maize!!