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Old 03-03-2007, 08:55 PM
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You don't agree with anything anybody says unless they agree with you.

Or unless I agree with them(if it is their original thought and it is consistent with the tenets of my faith.)

The God you are describing is indeed falliable and incorrect

The God I just described is not falliable, just his creations.
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Old 03-03-2007, 08:59 PM
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You don't agree with anything anybody says unless they agree with you.

Or unless I agree with them(if it is their original thought and it is consistent with the tenets of my faith.)

The God you are describing is indeed falliable and incorrect

The God I just described is not falliable, just his creations.
God knew what He was creating, so He made us falliable. With great power comes great responsibility. God obviously didn't keep up to that.
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:03 PM
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God knew what He was creating, so He made us falliable. With great power comes great responsibility. God obviously didn't keep up to that.
Exactly.

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To the original question, I say: Don't worry about "God" allowing you to enter heaven or sending you to hell. Until you experience it and can prove it, the two places don't exist. (IMO: They're just hogwash created by religion to scare people into believing)
Live life to the fullest here and now, and stop worrying about some place you don't know about...
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:31 PM
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Until you experience it and can prove it, the two places don't exist.
Explain to me how our inability to prove something means it doesn't exist. Just stop and consider the fact that during the past 75 years, science has discovered 26 previously unknown elements. Does that mean they didn't exist before they were proven to exist?

I'm not trying to imply that science is ever going to be able to prove the existence of Heaven and Hell. I'm simply pointing out that lack of proof is not necessarily anything more than lack of proof.

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(IMO: They're just hogwash created by religion to scare people into believing)
Well, it's good to know that what was fact just two sentences ago is now simply a matter of opinion.

By the way, I just noticed where you're from. I just wanted to mention that NYC is my absolute favorite city in the U.S. There's nowhere like it, is there?
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Old 03-03-2007, 11:42 PM
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... we do not understand Heaven to be a one-size-fits-all kind of place, but that we will each be rewarded according to our faithfulness, with some receiving a greater portion of God's glory than others.
Which is different than the way it works in this life right?

EDIT: sorry, couldn't resist. wrong debate...
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Which is different than the way it works in this life right?

EDIT: sorry, couldn't resist. wrong debate...
Good try, but I'm not bitin'.
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Good try, but I'm not bitin'.
thought I would give it a shot.
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God knew what He was creating, so He made us falliable. With great power comes great responsibility. God obviously didn't keep up to that.
Where in the night sky does it say "It's all about you!"

The universe does not exist to please humans and make you rich and happy.

It's the other way around.
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Mercy,

The kind of heresy in the OP only applies to fundamental evangelical Christianity in America.

I don't think that this reflects Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, or Coptic Christianity. Orthodoxy - and even the Reformers - taught that Chrisitian living is just as important or more so than belief in Jesus Christ to get to heaven.

The heresy propounded in the OP is a very modern idea and has no place in Christian teaching whatsoever.
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Old 03-04-2007, 10:40 AM
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Where in the night sky does it say "It's all about you!"

The universe does not exist to please humans and make you rich and happy.

It's the other way around.
I never said it was all about me. We exist so we can survive and pass on our genes. As well as trying to be happy.

But God knows the risk of creating something. They might turn against Him. And that is not a good enough reason to toture them for eternity. If you disagree, I would love to hear it
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