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Old 02-28-2007, 07:29 PM
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In my opinion (i.e. according to my Church's doctrine), Elohim is the name by which God the Father is known. (Yes, I know it's technically a title, not a name.) His Son, who was known during this life as Jesus, was known during His pre-mortal existence as Jehovah (or Yahweh). I believe that Jehovah created this universe under the direction of Elohim and that the person spoken of as Jehovah in the Old Testament is the same individual as the Jesus Christ of the New Testament. This probably won't make a whole lot of sense to anyone who believes in the Trinity, by the way.
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Elohim you are correct is a translation of Gods in english. But the true justice of the word would be closer to deities.

Yahweh is the hebrew for I am. This being how God is chosen to be addressed when he speaks face to face with Moses.

At creation there was the trinity, Christ+God+Holy Spirit, and so the word Elohim is fitting due to the fact that there were three deities embodied to the single task. However, Yahweh is specific to the Lord alone. When God spoke to Moses the son and spirit were not there and so it is simply Yahweh.
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Lords ) In Genesis 4; 1 ? If You LQQk close at Genesis 2; 4 . they say the LORD God '' These are the generation of the heaven and the earth when they were created , in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heaven . but in the Hebrew you find Yahweh Eloheem , or a Lord of the gods , as opposed to Genesis 1;1 where Eloheem '' god , rulers , judges '' is there '' In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth , or Genesis4;1 where Yahweh '' Lord , Self -Existing , eternal '' is found ... I have gotten a man from the LORD '' .

The beings called Eloheem is plural and the being called YHWH Is Singular .
What Is The Differnce Between YHWH , Yahweh , Yehovah , Yahuwa and Jehovah ? A poor attempt of attaching lost vowels to acquire the true pronunciation . Another degree of confusion confusing the public . So in fact there is no difference other than the way individual group choose to pretend that they know the real pronunciation , which they don't In fact , the word YHWH ( Lord ) is not in the beginning of the bible . Eloheem for gods is in the beginning of the bible ( Genesis 1;1 ) .

So In Fact The Bible Begins With More Than One God ?Yes . it uses Eloheem a plural , not Eloh the singular for the same word . so it actually reads '' in the beginning gods created the heavens and the earth '' not '' god created the heaven and the earth '' . Which means this can't be the first book of the bible . The very fact that it uses Eloheem , which is plural in Genesis 1;1 . means there is a single form of Eloheem , and because there is a single form of Eloheem , you couldn't start at more than one god without starting with one god . in simple terms . you can not have a plural first without a dual , andyou can not have a dual without asinggle being first . so with that in mind Genesis could not be '' the beginning of creation '' if everything began with one incident .

Could This Be Speaking Of God And His Trinity Or Angelic Beings As Found In
1John 5;7 ? No . because that quote which in actuality was an addition and not from the original reads ; '' For there are three that bear record in heaven , the father , theword , and the Holy Ghost ; and these three are one . This quote does not declare them god . Jesus states in Ephesians 4;6 '' One God and Father of all . who is above all . and through all , and in you all '' .

So as you can see Angels and Jesus are not above the 1 God concept . What is interesting is when you look in the Greek for God , you get Thehos , which is equivalent to the Eloheem , The plural in Genesis 1;1 and Thehos is an infinite '' godly '' and the word angel is Angelos meaning '' a messenger ''. Angels Are Not Gods ? Absolutely not according to the religious concept because they bring messages from god thereforethey can't be god ; thus eliminating 1 part of the trinity which is the holy ghost from being a god Hebrew 2;9 ,

see from this quote . Jesus was made lower than angels for whatever reason . But the most high god or god ( Eloheem ) can never become lower than angels. God can't become lower than anything and still be god the most high Elyon El Genesis 14;18 . As they would have you believe , the holy ghost isnow eliminated because angels are not gods . They say 1 god the father . 2 god the son . 3 god the holy ghost . And the holy ghost according to the Bible Luke 3 ; 22 . clearly states that the holy dove descended in a bodily shapeas a dove . That isbacked up by John 1;32 , but Luke makesit . clear that this dove was the holy ghost coming in bodily form . That is physically appear , so the holy ghost can personify in physical form .

Matthew 1;18 clearly states that Mary referred to as '' She '' in the quotewas found with child , meaning Jesus , of the holy ghost , Matthew 1;20 States this angel of the lord is speaking to Joseph and confirm that his, as the Bible puts it '' wife '' and the Greek word is goo-nay '' wife or woman '' would conceive . that is ghen -nag-o nay '' beget , give birth ,bring forth '' , from inside her as the quoteputs it , of again ,the holy ghost . And Matthew 12;31 declares that you will never be forgiver if you blaspheme , and the word is blas - fay - me - ah '' speak evil against '' the holy ghost ''

So we have a story here unfolding on the true significance of the third part of the Christian trinity ,namely god the holy ghost ,distinguished from god the son , and god the father , but its god the holyghost who has the ability to come into the physical form ;be it a bird as the dove or a man as in Matthew 12;32 , which separates the son of man , a name for Jesus , from the holy ghost . And even Matthew 3;11 , tells you that Jesus would baptize with the holy ghost ,not that he is the holy ghost , again a clear separation between god the son , and godthe holy ghost .

Now look at Matthew 28;19 '' go ye therefore and teach all nation baptizing then in the name of the father ( patayr ) and the son ( huios ) andthe holy
( hagios ) ghost ( pneuma ) ;... ( These Three Being Are Being Separated Here Again , Yet You Are Taught To Believe That They Are One .

Is That What The Bible Teaches Or Is That What The Preacher Preaches ? That quote Matthew 28;19 said , '' go ye therefore and teach , that means that ministers have a two-fold job . They must teach the congregation ,not just preach , for the word preach Kay -roo-os is no '' to proclaim , to publish '' as appose to the word teach math-ayt-yoo-o '' to instruct '' What happens is . when you analyze the scriptures and their languages , you don't find yourself preaching , you find yourself instructing , explaining and elaborating . Making things clear for people . Set-ing the record straight . Because as we read this as students . as appopsed to as a congregation being peached to , we are getting a clearer of the message . The holy ghost comes in physical form . This deity personifying or coming in human form is an Egiptian concept

frowed upon by the mis-informed , as Matthew 28;19 separated god the father . Eloheem , god the son . Jehovah , and god the holy ghost , Gabriel , an angel ( Daniel 9;21 ) . We can see clear three distinct characters . Why Is Jesus The Son , Being Called Jehovah ? The answer is quite simple . The equivalent of Jehovah which means lord in the Old Testament Genesis4;26 , and becomes lord in Matthew 4;10 , where Jesus himself declares '' ... thou shalt worship the lord thy god .... And theword for lord there is '' Kurios '' . Note that in this quote lord and god isbeing used together , and god there is '' thehos '' , and if the New Testament is a new testament of the old testament by the same god ,

we have to go go back to the old testament to findout theequivalent of the'' lord god '' as found in the New Testament . And Genesis Chater 2 Verse 4 , clearly states in part '' in the day that the lord god made earth and the heavens '' Lord here is Jehovah and God here is Eloheem . Back To The Question .
MATTHEW 4;10 -- in this verse , we see the two words lord god , and their Greek equivalent for the word lord ( kurios ) and for the word god you get Thehos .
Now look at its parent scripture you get GENESIS 2;4 , and for the word lord you get Yahweh , and for the word god you get Eloheem . So that means Yahweh equals Kurios and Eloheem equals Thehos
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The Elohim are very ancient race of high ascended beings who do work for the universe and thus for God. They know more about the universe's inner workings than any other species or being (other than Christ) so it should not be surprising that they are often looked upon as gods by primitive beings.

The Elohim are genetic engineers. All life in the universe comes from their experiments. Once a new life experiment reaches a degree of self consciousness (first moral decision) then the Elohim are not allowed to help anymore and must leave that planet.

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The story with Elohim comes from the mythology of the northern kingdom of Israel. The name 'Elohim' derives from a group of books called the Elohim or 'E' texts that date to the 8th Century B.C. 'Elohim' is the plural form of 'El' and is translated as 'god'. The name 'Yahweh' (translated as 'the Lord') comes from another group of books called the Yahwist or 'J' texts that belong to the mythology of the southern kingdom of Judah, and date to the 9th Century B.C.

Genesis 1 is of the 'E' texts, and Genesis 2 and 3 are of the 'J' texts. Two kingdoms, two different mythologies that were brought together in the 7th Century B.C. by and unknown editor, and then re-worked in the 5th and 4th Centuries B.C. into what is known as the 'P' or Priestly texts.
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The Elohim are very ancient race of high ascended beings who do work for the universe and thus for God. They know more about the universe's inner workings than any other species or being (other than Christ) so it should not be surprising that they are often looked upon as gods by primitive beings.

The Elohim are genetic engineers. All life in the universe comes from their experiments. Once a new life experiment reaches a degree of self consciousness (first moral decision) then the Elohim are not allowed to help anymore and must leave that planet.

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