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Old 02-22-2007, 05:20 PM
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Very true. It can be known: the real truth is pure and immutable.
But, comes in as many varieties as there are perspectives. Truth is a shapeshifter: while it may have a single essense, its form is infinite and elastic.
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:24 PM
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But, comes in as many varieties as there are perspectives. Truth is a shapeshifter: while it may have a single essense, its form is infinite and elastic.
You allocate truth to us, when it belongs to the world around us as one its symbols.

We are not truth; it is something about us (i.e. objective to us).
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You allocate truth to us, when it belongs to the world around us as one its symbols.

We are not truth; it is something about us (i.e. objective to us).
I agree.

But truth is an idea. There is no intrinsic truth to anything. It is only a perceiving being that can catagorize true and false. Everything else just is.
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I agree.

But truth is an idea. There is no intrinsic truth to anything. It is only a perceiving being that can catagorize true and false. Everything else just is.
Everything is an idea to us, including truth. As we are the ones who define things, there is truth in everything.
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I know what my purpose on earth is and i know what i'm allowed to do and what I'm prohibited from doing. I have a solid moral system, where i don't make up my own system of whats right and wrong but i have it from the creator. I have a sense of cleanliness and modesty. I know my obligations to those less fortunate then me in both knowledge and wealth. I know what happens to my soul after it leaves my body and the questions it'll be asked, I also know the torments of the disbeliever and the tempoary punishment for the sinning believer. I know what awaits the believers in paradise.

In short there isn't an aspect in my life that isn't governed by religion, I mean EVERY aspect of my life is inspired by religion
My gosh, I'm LDS and I could have written that post -- verbatim!
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Everything is an idea to us, including truth. As we are the ones who define things, there is truth in everything.
Yes!

In fact, while I do take a dualistic perspective, I cannot say that I am completely convinced that the world as I perceive it is at all accurate. But, it is still true in the form in exists in to me (and probably beyond). My personal world is the only world I am sure of, and its truths are dominant.

As I said before, truth - an idea among all other ideas - is a shapeshifter. But I suppose that's true only if other subjective minds exists (which I assume they do).
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Yes!

In fact, while I do take a dualistic perspective, I cannot say that I am completely convinced that the world as I perceive it is at all accurate. But, it is still true in the form in exists in to me (and probably beyond). My personal world is the only world I am sure of, and its truths are dominant.

As I said before, truth - an idea among all other ideas - is a shapeshifter. But I suppose that's true only if other subjective minds exists (which I assume they do).
Let me put your mind at rest about the doubt you expressed: the world as you perceive it is entirely accurately the world, because "the world" is things as you perceive them. Go you!

Anything more than that we cannot know, and therefore it doesnt count --it doesn't count in "truth", it doesn't count in "objectivity", it doesn't even count in "the universe". The "anything more" part is numinous (the unknowable).

Truth has only one shape. Our perception doesn't alter that. It is vitally necessary to distinguish between truth and what we (our conscious selves) possess, which is opinion.
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The Absolute Truth is within each one of us. When we realize God and live in God consciousness. I know that this Absolute Truth is within you and within me.
Great statement, Hema. I am not sure that you and I fit within the scope of the OP with that myth stuff but, keeping in mind your post, my answer to the question-
How do you feel your life on earth has been made more complete through your religious belief?
-is 'by reunion with my Self from which love, eternal life, and much more flows.'

Incidentally, there is a thread by Sunstone on Absolute Truth: Fact or Fiction that is pertinent to your posts here. - Absolute Truth: Fact Or Fiction?
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Let me put your mind at rest about the doubt you expressed: the world as you perceive it is entirely accurately the world, because "the world" is things as you perceive them. Go you!
Yea!

Though, I cannot ignore the evidence that says that the world as I perceive it is the same as how others perceive it. In other words, I cannot ignore the possibility that there is an objective world that every perceiving being is creating their own subjective world in.

My own view is accurate, because it is forged from my experiences. And that is all I know.