A question for fans of the god myth. (moral, punishment)

[azza]

Basically what I'm hearing from the Believers is that they believe in God because it makes them feel better than if they didn't believe. It gives them feelings of hope, direction, security etc. Which no one else should have a problem with because it's a personal thing between them and God. Problems arise because people try and impose their PERSONAL beliefs on people who don't wish to share them.

[Scuba Pete]

We beleive because it's just TRUE. Aplly your reasoning and intellect to a sun rise all you want, it's true because it's THERE. But if you are blind is is still there? Well, yes of course! Not being able to perceive it does not mean it's not there.

Originally Posted by azza

Basically what I'm hearing from the Believers is that they believe in God because it makes them feel better than if they didn't believe.

[azza]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

We beleive because it's just TRUE. Aplly your reasoning and intellect to a sun rise all you want, it's true because it's THERE. But if you are blind is is still there? Well, yes of course! Not being able to perceive it does not mean it's not there.

I think (just my opinion of course) you believe because you choose to believe it's true not because it is true. (And im not saying it isnt true either, just questioning your certainty ). Not being able to perceive a sun rise does not mean it's not there - true. BUT how do you know your perception is CORRECT. A while back people perceived a sun rise as the sun revolving the earth when the TRUTH turned out to be a little different. So I'm not questioning the fact that you FEEL or have EXPERIENCED SOMETHING. Just how do you know for sure what the source of that something is.

[ayani]

Originally Posted by azza

Basically what I'm hearing from the Believers is that they believe in God because it makes them feel better than if they didn't believe. It gives them feelings of hope, direction, security etc. Which no one else should have a problem with because it's a personal thing between them and God. Problems arise because people try and impose their PERSONAL beliefs on people who don't wish to share them.

i wouldn't disagree with this, guy. nor would i disagree with Scuba.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by azza

A while back people perceived a sun rise as the sun revolving the earth when the TRUTH turned out to be a little different.

No, the sun rise was TRUE. Our understanding of it may change, but the sun rise still happens.

[azza]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

No, the sun rise was TRUE. Our understanding of it may change, but the sun rise still happens.

I'm asking what makes you believe that your understanding of it is the correct one over someone else's understanding of it.

[Scuba Pete]

My understanding of a phenomenon notwithstanding has little bearing on the truth of the phenomenon. You can not discern the spiritual using physical means.

Do you trust your physical sight? Great! I trust my Spiritual sight.

[azza]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

My understanding of a phenomenon notwithstanding has little bearing on the truth of the phenomenon.

But your understanding of a phenomenon has total bearing on what you believe the truth of that phenomenon to be.

And no I dont completely trust my physical sight. Have you never thought you saw one thing but on closer inspection it turned out to be something else?

[jmaster78]

Originally Posted by wanderer085

Freeing oneself from god myths is the first step towards real knowledge and freethought.

what is 'real knowledge, and how would ditching ones religion bring it about?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by LogDog

How do you feel your life on earth has been made more complete through your religious belief?

This question makes as much sense to me as asking how my life on earth has been made more complete through the laws of thermodynamics.