A question for fans of the god myth. (moral, punishment)

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Thank you, I agree. If I may, I would like to say the same thing over again, in my own words, to demonstrate a difference in the way I think. *grin*

Person X, person Y... We can agree that the world is most probably round, so from the perspective of our shared reality X's take on reality is a mis-take. But X doesn't know otherwise, because he doesn't share our shared reality. He has a flat-earth perspective; he lives in a flat-earth world. While he truly believes in something that from our perspective is incorrect (an assumption based on our shared reality), it is not incorrect from his perspective. He may adopt a new view if he gets new information, but in the context that he understood the flat-earth world he will always understand the flat-earth world. If he adopts the new view, he can, and probably will, live in two worlds, both true in their contexts.

Psychologists use the phrase "shared view of reality" a lot when describing mental states, and I do like it.

[LogDog]

Originally Posted by comprehend

Agreed, you have now invalidated the premise behind your statement in post # 35 claiming that truth was dependant upon evidence...

The realization of the actuality of "truth" is dependant upon evidence. Claiming "truth" when no evidence is available to verify its actuality is my concern. I'm not suggesting the possibility is zero that your god does not exist. But for the religious to claim they have absolute knowledge of what the "truth" really is leads me to question reasoning and judgment. Instead of "I know the truth", how about "I think I know the truth"? This subtle adjustment in language would go a long way to extinguish the air of religious arrogance that is so ever present.

[jmaster78]

Originally Posted by LogDog

How do you feel your life on earth has been made more complete through your religious belief?

i used to think alot about the questions i had no answers to, like which religion was correct, what evidence is real and what is fake, why religions fight each other in the name of the same god of love and peace. now i know there are no answers! like anything you look for, though it may be disappointing to find it doesn't exist, but there is comfort in knowing the quest is over!

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by LogDog

The realization of the actuality of "truth" is dependant upon evidence. Claiming "truth" when no evidence is available to verify its actuality is my concern. I'm not suggesting the possibility is zero that your god does not exist. But for the religious to claim they have absolute knowledge of what the "truth" really is leads me to question reasoning and judgment. Instead of "I know the truth", how about "I think I know the truth"? This subtle adjustment in language would go a long way to extinguish the air of religious arrogance that is so ever present.

How about "from where I'm standing, it's true"?

[Feathers in Hair]

Originally Posted by Willamena

How about "from where I'm standing, it's true"?

That seems like a good phrasing.

LogDog, I feel I owe you a personal (and public) apology. I've reacted harshly to your comments, and have done you an injustice in doing so. I'm sorry for that.

[UnTheist]

I was wrong in my comments. I meant his truth wasn't everyone else's truth. I consider that personal truth, not absolute truth, which would be the same truth to everyone.

[Random]

I believe calling God a "myth" is intellectually dishonest and inaccurate to boot: for the sole reason that even limited insight into the truth can reveal that God's story is ongoing and evolving because it is OUR story: the story of God is a human one, and that is why we call our record of the past "His-story" or history for short. It is about Man directly, not a fixed mytho-poetic fantasy designed to teach morals, tradition and ritual which is what a myth properly is. Sure, God preforms these functions too, but to call Him/Her/It a myth is ignorant, purile and facetious: a deliberate falsification of higher knowlege or gnosis.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by Random

...for the sole reason that even limited insight into the truth can reveal that God's story is ongoing and evolving because it is OUR story: the story of God is a human one, and that is why we call our record of the past "His-story" or history for short.

*psst* That metaphor is exactly what makes it myth.

[Random]

Originally Posted by Willamena

*psst* That's exactly what makes it myth.

There is unlimited imagination in myth, not history.