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Old 01-31-2007, 10:34 PM
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I've heard from different people over the years that God does not have a gender, yet he is called heavenly father by some. It is thought by other that God gave up some of his glory to come to earth as a Jewish male. In this sense, the representation of God on earth could be said to be male. Likewise, every time "The Angel of the Lord" appeared on earth in the Old Testament, He appeared as a male. Most Christian theologians interpret the appearance of God in the Old Testament as the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ.

Just wondering what is everyone's take here on it is.
One other thing, why does God so much dis-favor with women?

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I do not believe that God is either male nor female, but transcends any limitaions or boundaries that are used for mankind. People use male terms to describe God because men have always been seen as superior to women by many cultures throughout the ages and terms such as "He" and "Him" were seen as the best decriptions for an Almighty, Most Dominant God. But remember that God told Abraham that He was the Great "I AM", which would refer to neither male nor female.
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Latter Day Saints believe that God is a male. We also believe He has a body. When Jesus was on the earth, He always referred to God as a male, and His Father. I trust Jesus was right. Joseph Smith also saw God and said He was male. That is the LDS belief.
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Why then is God referred to as the heavenly father?

The bible teaches that women are to submit to thire men, this sounds a bit sexist to me at least maybe God is a male....
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The absolute is not endowed with anything a human would be able to comprehend. There is no form of sexuality in pure spirit.

We give God physical qualities because it is too difficult to get any kind of a mental image otherwise. People have a terrible time with abstract ideas, so we have to attach symbolism that the mind is familar with.



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Why then is God referred to as the heavenly father?

The bible teaches that women are to submit to thire men, this sounds a bit sexist to me at least maybe God is a male....
Could you present us with a verse?
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“Wives submit to your husbands, as is fitting to the Lord.” Colossians 3:18


women should remain silent in churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission...” 1 Corinthians 14:34


But you should know this...



Please don't tell me that this is OT stuff, the NT doesn't say anything about letting women do more in church that I know of. And as far as I can recall theres nothing in the NT that says women should be treated as equals.

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“Wives submit to your husbands, as is fitting to the Lord.” Colossians 3:18


women should remain silent in churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission...” 1 Corinthians 14:34


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Please don't tell me that this is OT stuff, the NT doesn't say anything about letting women do more in church that I know of. And as far as I can recall theres nothing in the NT that says women should be treated as equals.
What you're talking about are roles in Church. It's quite possible for people to have different roles based on gender and it not be a matter of inequality - mother and father spring to mind as the most obvious ones.

As for the Colossians verse, if you actually look at the context you'll see that men are called to love and be kind to their wives, children to look up to their parents but parents to be good to their children. It's all reciprocal. It's written in terms of the way society was structured in Paul's time, but it's actually about Christians submitting to each other and hence is about equality, not equality of rights (which is a foreign idea to the faith) but equality of obligations. It's always unwise to take single verses out of not only their scriptural but their historical and social contexts, too. You're liable to be lead to make unwarranted interpretations.

As for an NT call to treat women as equals, there are actually more than this, but how about (paraphrasing because the race stuff is irrelevant to your question) 'there is neither male nor female in Christ'?

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I am sticking to my post with all the things that God let man do to women, it sure sounds like that God would be male. Women in the bible are raped, killed, Etc.
All by men.

Sorry but it just because thats the way society was back then does not make it any better.

Why all the submission to men for?

Women are then & now equals to men.


Consider this: When God made the animals we made both male & female at the same time. Correct?

Then he created Adam, he puts him to sleep & then uses one of his ribs to make Eve.
Why was Adam created first? Why not toghether? Why are Women are blamed for the sin of mankind? Why is it that was Eve who took the bite from the apple not Adam? Adam was exonerated from sin because it was Eve who took the bite of the apple. The ONLY women that is held up has a role model is the virgin Mary & the rest are pushed aside. All this & more makes God sound like a male who for some reason has it in for Women. I don't believe in the christian God thats no surprise but then again I only believe that the bible was written by man to control others.
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You lot posting Paul, do you not know that the fake teacher is said to stand against women in Daniel?

God has no image and is multi-dimensional it is beyond the fabric of needing a sex, no angels have sexuality....
So any placing an image over God is clearly in violation of the commandments.
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