Universal versus Moral Right and Wrong? (morals, homosexuality, sexuality, morals)

[XAAX]

Hey, I was trying to get some feedback for some points I am working on. I want to compare my own ideas with others.

-What are some examples of what you consider to be a Universal(regardless of a religion telling you) Right or Wrong?

-What are some examples of a Moral(religion bassed) Right or Wrong?

If anyone is unsure on what I am refering to just ask and I'll clerify... Thanks...

[Sunstone]

This is just a quibble, but I'm uncomfortable with the use of the term "moral" to refer only to religion based morality. Moralities come in all shapes and sizes and many are not based on religion at all. Of course, I'm happy you've clarified what you mean by "moral" in your OP. So, this is just a quibble.

[Sunstone]

It is universally wrong to murder. I don't need religion to tell me that.

It is religiously wrong (in some religions, but not others) to practice homosexuality. I would need religion to tell me that since it's not a universal moral imperative.

[TurkeyOnRye]

Morals are based on the collective well-being of a group of humans. By "group," either as a family, village, state, nation or the human species. In general, if something does not promote the masses, it is immoral or at least not moral.

[XAAX]

Originally Posted by TurkeyOnRye

Morals are based on the collective well-being of a group of humans. By "group," either as a family, village, state, nation or the human species. In general, if something does not promote the masses, it is immoral or at least not moral.

Thanks Turkey, I agree with you, but I am trying to come up with actual examples of either...

Originally Posted by Sunstone

It is universally wrong to murder. I don't need religion to tell me that.

It is religiously wrong (in some religions, but not others) to practice homosexuality. I would need religion to tell me that since it's not a universal moral imperative.

Sun has one of each that clearly shows what I am referring to...One can be considered a rule for all mankind, where the other, merely states a particular groups ideals...

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by TurkeyOnRye

Morals are based on the collective well-being of a group of humans. By "group," either as a family, village, state, nation or the human species. In general, if something does not promote the masses, it is immoral or at least not moral.

I think that is to some extent a post-Christian notion of morals. The ancient Greeks sometimes spoke as if they believed morals had as much to do with promoting the welfare of the individual as they had to do with promoting the welfare of society, and they sought to reconcile the two. But the Christians to a large extent removed the individual's welfare from the moral equation and focused almost exclusively on what was good for society. Just an opinion.

This might be a bit superficial, but in Christianity, the individual is very often asked to sacrifice himself, or his interests, for the good of others, while in ancient Greece, the individual was asked to be true to himself for the good of both himself and society.

[Feathers in Hair]

I was thinking that it might be a universal wrong to hurt innocents, but when I think of it, I'm not sure if some societies see it that way.

[Sunstone]

A prohibition against murder is one of six to eight moral principles that some anthropologists have identified as being manifested in one way or another in all known cultures and societies. If so, that's considerable evidence that a prohibition against murder is somehow instinctual to humans.

[XAAX]

Originally Posted by Feathers in Hair

I was thinking that it might be a universal wrong to hurt innocents, but when I think of it, I'm not sure if some societies see it that way.

Feathers, do you mean to hurt the innocent, or to take someones innocence(say as a child molester)..actually now that I am typing the question, I think they both apply to universal law.