Anti-Zionism? (Israel, Jewish, heaven, Orthodox, reconstructionist)

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by xexon

Its NOT about jews. The tribe or the religion. Its about the political movement. I would say the same thing about Catholics or baptists. These people happen to be jewish, and that's where it ends for me.

I'm sure that you and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have a good deal more in common, but, for now, please identify the participants of this Jewish-Zionist conspiracy subverting American politics.

[michel]

Originally Posted by standing_on_one_foot

But, speaking for myself, I am not opposed to Israel's existance. I'm opposed to some of their policies, which is very different.

Good point; I believe that the Jews ought to have a home land.

But I have met some Jews who are opposed to Israel in general. Not surprising, really...Jews having different opinions. I know there are a lot who are opposed not so much to Israel as to a secular or semi-secular Israel.

And I can assure you that there are plently of "British" people who are hell bent on trying to destroy this country

I'm somewhat curious as to what your feelings are about living in the US, then?

That's a good question - one that always occurs to me.

[xexon]

Originally Posted by Jay

I'm sure that you and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have a good deal more in common, but, for now, please identify the participants of this Jewish-Zionist conspiracy subverting American politics.

I'm not a librarian. Do your own research and post what you find here if you want. AIPAC is the visible part. Need I remind you that several of it's members have been brought up on spying charges recently. http://news.google.com/archivesearch...pying&ie=UTF-8

One of the main players in the Bush Administration is Douglas Feith. A little background on the man, outside of the western media: http://www.radioislam.org/islam/engl...eithisrael.htm

Again, its about zionism, not jews or judaism.

Let me put this another way, it is because I admire jewish people and culture, that I wish to alert them to to this serpent that has them hypnotized. I'm not anti-Israel. You can hardly send all these immigrant jews back to where they came from. The only solution is to deal with what is in place. Politcal zionism is endangering everyone in Israel. This needs to stop.

As for Ahmadinejad, he has made it perfectly clear that his trouble is with the zionist leadership of Israel, and not with her people as a whole. This is a fact that has been widely distorted to read otherwise. Case in point: http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Stat...IranWhycfm.cfm
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Iran/2006MarchIran.cfm

There is a great deal of social engineering going on in the media these days that is steering people's opinions where certain people seem to think they need to go. Were it not for the internet, where people can freely exchange information, we would have little choice but to believe what we are told.

Those days are over. Zionism is now cracking because they can't cover all the bases anymore like they used to. The truth is out there, and the more people that know it, the better the world can deal with it.


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[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by xexon

I'm not a librarian.

No, you are are conduit for antisemitic diatribe. At issue is whether or not you can back it up.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by xexon

One of the main players in the Bush Administration is Douglas Feith. A little background on the man, outside of the western media: http://www.radioislam.org/islam/engl...eithisrael.htm

Right. "radioislam" is supposed to be an unbiased source of news concerning Israel?

Again, its about zionism, not jews or judaism.

Sorry, but it's not possible to treat Zionism and Jews and Judaism as if they are totally separate, because they simply are not.

Politcal zionism is endangering everyone in Israel. This needs to stop.

Maybe it would help if you stepped back for a moment and defined, say, 3 top things by which you define "political Zionism."

As for Ahmadinejad, he has made it perfectly clear that his trouble is with the zionist leadership of Israel, and not with her people as a whole.

Tell it to the Jewish Persian refugees who are here because of the mistreatment they have received in Iran, not only under Ahmadinejad, but those before him.

I see no reason to believe Ahmadinejad's propaganda is anything but that: propaganda.

There is a great deal of social engineering going on in the media these days that is steering people's opinions where certain people seem to think they need to go.

There's a great deal of idiocy and incompetence in the media these days. Even assuming good intent, the results are questionable at best. But that is a matter of media criticism generally, having nothing specifically to do with Zionists, Jews, AIPAC or other alleged conspiracies.

The Saudi gov't has a PR firm and influence here as well. Having a PR firm in this country is not a sin. It just means you're smart enough to realize what it takes to get a microphone in this country and have your pov heard.

Were it not for the internet, where people can freely exchange information, we would have little choice but to believe what we are told.

True, though I would hasten to point out that material on the Internet is as subject toTheodore Sturgeon's Law as science fiction writing is.

Those days are over. Zionism is now cracking because they can't cover all the bases anymore like they used to. The truth is out there, and the more people that know it, the better the world can deal with it.

Please explain in what way "Zionism is now cracking."

[Jayhawker Soule]

From one who echoes xenon's drivel ...

Sudan: Jews behind Darfur conflict

Sudan's defense minister, Abdel Rahim Mohamed Hussein, has accused "24 Jewish organizations" of "fueling the conflict in Darfur" last week in an interview with a Saudi newspaper.

Hussein was interviewed during an official state-visit to the Saudi kingdom last week.

A journalist from Saudi Arabia's Okaz newspaper asked Hussein: "Some people are talking about the penetration of Jewish organizations in Darfur and that there is no conflict there?"

"The Darfur issue is being fuelled by 24 Jewish organizations, who are making the largest amount of noise over the issue, and using the Holocaust in their campaigning," the Sudanese defense minister replied.

Hussein added that the Darfur conflict was driven by "friction between farmers and herders and shepherds. Among the biggest problems is that of water, which is used to exploit the differences and fuel the conflict."

"Are these Jewish groups supporting (the rebels) financially?," the interviewer from Okaz asked Hussein.

"Yes, they provide political and material support through their control over the media and across American and British circles," Hussein said, adding that Jewish groups were using "all means to fuel these conflicts."

He added that Western reports of 200,000 people dying in Sudan were false, and said: "We talk about 9,000 dead as a result of either government or rebel actions."

- see ynetnews.com

The damn conspiracy is everywhere ...

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Jay

From one who echoes xenon's drivel ...The damn conspiracy is everywhere ...

Yeah, a little birdie told me the Janjaweed were Jewish.

Someone has been eating too many Alice B. Toklas brownies, methinks.

Hm, on second thought it must be something else. Those baked goods tend to mellow people out -- not make them concoct pure lies for political reasons.

[ssrt]

I'm one of those Persian Jewish refugees. You can keep telling me how much Iran loves the Jews and hates the Zioinsts, but I know the truth. We were not treated well in Iran under Islamic rule. My grandparents and parents were forced out, their businesses taken, and they rode on HORSEBACK for SEVERAL YEARS, first to Uzbekistan and then to Israel.

My grandfather didn't get there.