The Day of Judgment (Creator, faith, Abraham, God, Christians)

[Booko]

Originally Posted by JamesThePersian

I wasn't aware that the Abrahamic faiths had a common view of the afterlife. Certainly, our view is not only different to the Muslim one but even to that of many western Christians. I'm not quite sure where we stand with respect to Judaism but I very much doubt that it's the same.

In details, perhaps not, but I think it's fairly reasonable to state that Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the Baha'i Faith all believe a) there is an afterlife, and b) it doesn't involve reincarnation.

I would also add that, with the exception of our LDS friends and a few others, the common belief is that what survives after death is not a physical body.

Are these elements part of Orthodox Christian belief? I could easily have been mistaken.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

I will be extremely surprised if Judgment Day arrives. At this juncture in time I consider such tales to be the delusions perpetrated by inept scoundrels.

It's entirely possible that the Judgement Day you don't believe in, I don't believe in either.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Peace

I won't find out that I am wrong and I won't find out that I am silly nor my 1.3 billion brothers and sisters, we are certain 100% and we have no doubt in our belief.

The thing is, Christians tell me that they're 100% and have no doubt either -- and say that you and your 1.3 billion are going to rot in hell for eternity.

Um...so who's a poor sod supposed to believe?

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Booko

I would also add that, with the exception of our LDS friends and a few others, the common belief is that what survives after death is not a physical body.

Hi Booko,

This is not exactly correct. In Christianity it is believed that we will be 'bodily' resurrected. Now, whether that body is at all like the physical body we have now is unknown...too lazy to look up Corinithians now but even if I did I think that is poetic language anyway.

Two points about this. First, I think it underscores the Christian view of creation as being 'good,' not something from which we much escape, even if in its current state is in need of much healing.

Second, and this is just musings on my part and not really important. Because of my experience in this life, it's impossible for me to imagine that our soul can have any kind of self-awareness unless in conjuction with some kind of body. I don't think of the soul as energy or anything that can be expressed in physical terms, but an analogy is that it is as light to a mirror, it's only detected/manifested when striking a physical body (thinking also of Seven Valleys, the light and colored bodies...). If my being is part of/within/from the Source of all Being, I will experience no self-awareness, nothing that could be called thought or love or anything, when merged in oneness. Only when I'm "reflected" off a "body" of some kind to give me individuality can I have awareness/knowledge/love/experience. If we are to experience love in the next life we need to have something that is the equivalent of a body to give us the required dualism for 'self' awareness.

This is also related I think to the idea of the Trinity. God is Love and Love requires interaction in the Persons of the Trinity.

2c

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Peace

No, it's not in our terms. It is not His fault; it's yours. God created good and evil within everyone of us and has shown us guidance and has given us free will to choose what to believe and what not to believe. Thus, it's not His fault that you don't believe in Him, for it's up to you to do so.

Peace, Peace, Peace. I am a few steps beyond your "lying, timid morality and so, I am beyond caring." You insistence that you (and others) are "right" has zero effect on my thinking or direct experience.

Originally Posted by Peace

Hahaha, in spite your disbelieve that God is your creator, but still He is your creator whether you like it or not.

Peace, your pale imitation of what god is does not impress me.
Let me restate that I contemptuously reject the Abrahmic vision of God, so please, do not be disrespectful and refer to your god as my god. How dare you, really.

Originally Posted by Peace

Well no body will force you to believe in what you don't want to believe. It's your decision and it's up to you, but don't blame anybody when you will found out what you disbelieve is true and a reality.

How many more times do I have to say, "I could be wrong"? There is the distinct reality that I am practically the only contributor to ReligiousForums.Com that specifically states, "What do I know?" "I may be wrong." Perhaps, others should take the hint.

Originally Posted by Peace

would you explain to me how am I trapped within Duality YmirGF?

Originally Posted by Peace

BTW, I am happy with what I am and I thank God daily for that and I am, with Allah's help and support, in a constant spiritual progress alhamdulillah!

Read up on dualistic thought, Peace. Others have explained it well enough for you to get the drift. The mighty Wicki scores a good opening salvo here.

Originally Posted by Peace

come on you made me laugh YmirGF, what are you saying? Who you are to tell us that?

Who are you to say I cannot state such. Glad it tickled your funny bone though.

Originally Posted by Peace

So will wait together and see, deal? I am looking forward that Day. But just promise me if you find yourself wrong to tell God that I (Peace) told you there is a Judgement Day but you laughed at me and pity me for that belief. Promise?

Sadly Peace, you are hardly the first Muslim to offer me these "keen insights". Regretfully I shall not say... but I'll make you a deal. After we are both dead and gone I will alot some "time" to come and visit with you and we shall discuss things that will warm your heart.

Originally Posted by Peace

I won't find out that I am wrong and I won't find out that I am silly nor my 1.3 billion brothers and sisters, we are certain 100% and we have no doubt in our belief.

Originally Posted by Peace

If I am to find out that I am wrong, though I am sure that I am not, I won't lose anything. Unfortunately, it is not the case with you.
Let's just wait and see Peace

Oh, I know you are 100% certain, Peace, as that is why I said you are trapped in your dualistic thought. But you are correct, we will have to wait and see. We WILL see who has the last laugh, but quite frankly, I am already chuckling.

[Peace]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

Peace, Peace, Peace. I am a few steps beyond your "lying, timid morality and so, I am beyond caring."

Paul, Paul, Paul. I am not lying and I hate lying and it is against the teaching of my religion.

Originally Posted by YmirFG

Let me restate that I contemptuously reject the Abrahmic vision of God, so please, do not be disrespectful and refer to your god as my god. How dare you, really.

Sorry Paul but I meant no offense and I didn't mean to be disrespectful, for it is against my nature, but I only said the truth.

Originally Posted by YmirFG

How many more times do I have to say, "I could be wrong"? There is the distinct reality that I am practically the only contributor to ReligiousForums.Com that specifically states, "What do I know?" "I may be wrong."

Yes, you are Paul and you will find that out sooner or later. Again I mean no offense, but I speak what I believe. So sorry if my words offend you.


[QUOTE=YmirFG]Who are you to say I cannot state such. [/quote]

Too simply the way you stated that implies that you have a super power to state that we won't be judged and there is no Judgement Day.

Originally Posted by YmirFG

Sadly Peace, you are hardly the first Muslim to offer me these "keen insights". Regretfully I shall not say... but I'll make you a deal. After we are both dead and gone I will alot some "time" to come and visit with you and we shall discuss things that will warm your heart.

Fine! after our death we will both find out the truth and we will both accept it as it is.

Originally Posted by YmirFG

Oh, I know you are 100% certain, Peace, as that is why I said you are trapped in your dualistic thought. But you are correct, we will have to wait and see. We WILL see who has the last laugh

I am looking forward that Paul to see who will have the last laugh. I am not trapped by the way

Originally Posted by YmirGF

but quite frankly, I am already chuckling.

P.S: I would like to clarify one thing to you Paul, is that when I speak about my religion and about God, I don't speak out of hatred but out of love. By the One whose my soul is in His Hands when I say that I pity you I say it out of love and pity and because I love good for all people and I don't mean to be sarcastic or rude or to offend anybody.

Peace

[Terrywoodenpic]

I don't actually believe in THE Judgement day.
nor do I believe in Bodily resurrection.
But I WOULD say I was a Christian.

I do not think it is likely we shall be resurrected, all at the same time; then stand in line for our turn to be Judged.
That to me is too simplistic a view, arrived at with little thought, and by being a slave to the recorded guesses of a far more primative religious views.

I believe when we die we are at once resurrected in spirit; we return to GOD shorn of our sin, since sin has no place in the presence of God.( this is what Judgement is).
Our spirit purified then returns as part of Gods presence.

I doubt very much we retain an awareness of our old self, any more than a butterfly remembers being a caterpillar. A butterfly is, I am sure, very happy to be what it is.
Just as we shall be happy, to be what we are, with God.