Goodnews (Jesus Christ, Earth, Kingdom, salvation, Jehovah)

[Booko]

Originally Posted by may

Jesus christ , he was given great aurthority and rulership and his father Jehovah gave it to him Daniel 7;13-14 this happened in 1914...

A couple of questions, if you would:

1. How might we know these events occured in 1914? What might we have observed at that time that would point us to this belief?

2. What Biblical time prophecies to you look to that would direct me to 1914 as a date? I'd like to look at the calculations used to derive this day.

Don't worry, I know the methods of Rev. Miller, whose work was the foundation of your denomination.

I should be able to follow your reasoning on the time aspects pretty well, and if not, of course I'll just ask.

[may]

Originally Posted by EiNsTeiN

Well, I didnt understand the thread to some levels...
A simple question, what century are you talking about?, cuz we are in the 21th, and i didnt hear about this kingdom!!

maybe you shut the door on the message.

[may]

Originally Posted by Booko

A couple of questions, if you would:

1. How might we know these events occured in 1914? What might we have observed at that time that would point us to this belief?

2. What Biblical time prophecies to you look to that would direct me to 1914 as a date? I'd like to look at the calculations used to derive this day.

Don't worry, I know the methods of Rev. Miller, whose work was the foundation of your denomination.

I should be able to follow your reasoning on the time aspects pretty well, and if not, of course I'll just ask.

if you go to the Jehovahs witness threads on this forum there is a thread about 1914 the date is a very significant date in bible prophecy. it goes into the appointed times of the nations or ,the end of the Gentiles . that is just one thing pointing to the date , there are other things also that Jesus said would be happening in the last days, yes Jesus PRESENCE in kingdom power has been with us since 1914 and it is all happening just as the bible foretold. the true knowledge is now abundant in this time of the end Daniel 12;4 plus i think it is always best to go to the official site of Jehovahs witness because it is more up to date with the time that we are living .http://www.watchtower.org/

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by may

if you go to the Jehovahs witness threads on this forum there is a thread about 1914 the date is a very significant date in bible prophecy. it goes into the appointed times of the nations or ,the end of the Gentiles . that is just one thing pointing to the date , there are other things also that Jesus said would be happening in the last days, yes Jesus PRESENCE in kingdom power has been with us since 1914 and it is all happening just as the bible foretold. the true knowledge is now abundant in this time of the end Daniel 12;4

If 1914 is so significant a date, how come nobody else noticed, and how come the JWs earlier in their history pointed to different dates? Personally I doubt that 1914 has any significance whatsoever and if it does then it's very cleverly hidden, because even the Watchtower Society missed it for quite some time.

James

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by JamesThePersian

Personally I doubt that 1914 has any significance whatsoever and if it does then it's very cleverly hidden, because even the Watchtower Society missed it for quite some time.

"Significance" is a subjective judgment. Humans missed the law of conservation of energy and the concept of a sun-centered solar system for quite some time, too.

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by doppelgänger

"Significance" is a subjective judgment. Humans missed the law of conservation of energy and the concept of a sun-centered solar system for quite some time, too.

Yes, but I've neveryet come across anyone arguing that either of those things were clearly spelled out in Scripture either. For all Jews and Christians everywhere to have missed the significance of 1914 with respect to the prophecy of Daniel for millennia just strikes me as seriously unlikely. It's not like the JWs were the first ones to read it - it's older than the Church after all.

James

[FatMan]

Have we focused on what needs to be debated yet or did "may" just pop in to sermonize??

[may]

Originally Posted by sojourner

This is proselytism.

this is the message in the bible for the last days. Jesus is now a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment and this kingdom is now well established and Jesus is a warrrior king Daniel 2;44 Daniel 7;13-14 and when he was made king of this kingdom he was ruling amidst his enemies, but Jesus will come out victorious because he is a warrior king who has the backing of the most high PSALM 83;18 He is right now riding his symbolic white horse, wearing his crown as king . and the ride goes on .

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by JamesThePersian

For all Jews and Christians everywhere to have missed the significance of 1914 with respect to the prophecy of Daniel for millennia just strikes me as seriously unlikely. It's not like the JWs were the first ones to read it - it's older than the Church after all.

James

Sure the prophecy is old. But the recognition that the prophecy was fulfilled couldn't be any earlier than 1914, right? After all, the fact that the Jews missed Jesus until he came and appeared to fulfill the prophecies isn't an argument that he wasn't the Messiah, is it?

So they only could have known since 1914 and haven't had much time to spread the Good News. How far had Christianity spread and how many converts were there in the first 90 years?