Goodnews (Jesus Christ, Earth, Kingdom, salvation, Jehovah)

[MaddLlama]

Originally Posted by may

this thread is about the goodnews that Jesus is a reigning king ,i am just bringing it to the fore , rather than keeping it to myself. i am not trying to convert people , i am just bringing the goodnews to the fore . because it is a fact that the religious leaders of christendom have rejected Jesus kingship , and as this site is for discussing religious things what better place could there be . maybe i should start a thread in the biblical debates , because after all the GOODNEWS is about fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology. and it is all happening in the times we are living in . thrilling times indeed . but make no mistake about it , the religious leaders of christendom do not want the GOODNEWS to be made known . because they have rejected Jesus kingship . i think that is not a good thing to be doing , especially when they CLAIM to be worshiping the God of the bible . but it seems to me that they are not doing the right things at all . in fact they do just the opposite of what they should be doing . no wonder they are in spiritual darkness , REJECTING JESUS will never lead to enlightenment , only gloomy darkness .

Oh, I see. You thought you were the first JW here, so you thought you'd enlighten us all.

To you it may be "goodnews" but to the rest of us it's old news.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by may

this thread is about the goodnews that Jesus is a reigning king ,i am just bringing it to the fore , rather than keeping it to myself. i am not trying to convert people , i am just bringing the goodnews to the fore . because it is a fact that the religious leaders of christendom have rejected Jesus kingship , and as this site is for discussing religious things what better place could there be . maybe i should start a thread in the biblical debates , because after all the GOODNEWS is about fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology. and it is all happening in the times we are living in . thrilling times indeed . but make no mistake about it , the religious leaders of christendom do not want the GOODNEWS to be made known . because they have rejected Jesus kingship . i think that is not a good thing to be doing , especially when they CLAIM to be worshiping the God of the bible . but it seems to me that they are not doing the right things at all . in fact they do just the opposite of what they should be doing . no wonder they are in spiritual darkness , REJECTING JESUS will never lead to enlightenment , only gloomy darkness .

Ask the Orthodox about Christ the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about their celebration of Christ the king (always the last Sunday of the liturgical year). You cannot back up your "fact." I suppose we don't sing hymns entitled, "Praise My Soul the King of Heaven," or, "Ride on, O King Eternal." In what way does the Church that has taken the Name of Christ, worships Christ, and whose theology is based upon a well-thought out christology REJECT JESUS????????

[may]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

Oh, I see. You thought you were the first JW here, so you thought you'd enlighten us all.

To you it may be "goodnews" but to the rest of us it's old news.

its good to see that you are aware just who is making it known ,

And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 and it is for a witness, or in other words to put people on notice . so as you mentioned , i most certainly am not the only one making it known, there are a GREAT CROWD of others from all nations doing just the same as me revelation 7;9-10 for those who welcome Jesus as Gods king , it is great news , and its not as old as you may think , because Jesus has yet to go into ACTION

[may]

Originally Posted by sojourner

Ask the Orthodox about Christ the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about their celebration of Christ the king (always the last Sunday of the liturgical year). You cannot back up your "fact." I suppose we don't sing hymns entitled, "Praise My Soul the King of Heaven," or, "Ride on, O King Eternal." In what way does the Church that has taken the Name of Christ, worships Christ, and whose theology is based upon a well-thought out christology REJECT JESUS????????

if they reject fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology they are rejecting Jesus himself . its all happening in these last days .Jesus is a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment that was set up in 1914 in the heavens Daniel 2;44 it doesnt matter what hymns we may be singing , if we have rejected Jesus kingship we have rejected Jesus.
(Philippians 2:10) so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground,
(Genesis 49:10) The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shi´loh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.

Kiss the son, that He (Jehovah God)may not become incensed
And you may not perish [from] the way,
For his anger flares up easily.

Happy are all those taking refuge in him. psalm 2;12

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by may

if they reject fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology they are rejecting Jesus himself . its all happening in these last days .Jesus is a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment that was set up in 1914 in the heavens Daniel 2;44 it doesnt matter what hymns we may be singing , if we have rejected Jesus kingship we have rejected Jesus.
(Philippians 2:10) so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground,
(Genesis 49:10) The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shi´loh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.

Kiss the son, that He (Jehovah God)may not become incensed
And you may not perish [from] the way,
For his anger flares up easily.

Happy are all those taking refuge in him. psalm 2;12

Once again, aske the Orthodox about the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about Christ the King. We do believe in the kingship of Christ.

Prophecies are not so much about predicting events in the distant future as they are about speaking the truth about things as they are. To misunderstand that is to misunderstand prophecy.

[may]

Originally Posted by sojourner

Once again, aske the Orthodox about the Pantokrator. Ask the Anglicans about Christ the King. We do believe in the kingship of Christ.

Prophecies are not so much about predicting events in the distant future as they are about speaking the truth about things as they are. To misunderstand that is to misunderstand prophecy.

and the truth is ................. Jesus was given great aurthority in 1914 when he recieved the kingship of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment Daniel 7;13-14 in line with bible prophecy and chronology . and he is NOW a reigning king ready to go into action . and misunderstanding this is not a thing that christendom are doing ,they are out rightly rejecting that fact . this is not a good thing to be doing .

[may]

"the Son of David," Jesus, realized that he would have to wait to enter fully into his heavenly kingship. He knew the prophetic utterance that applied to him: "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet." So when a group of Jews wanted to "seize him to make him king," Jesus quickly withdrew. (Matthew 21:9; Psalm 110:1; John 6:15) Some 30 years later, according to Hebrews 10:12, 13, Jesus was still awaiting his kingship. In fact, he waited almost 19 centuries before being installed as rightful King of God’s Kingdom at its establishment in 1914.

[sojourner]

Problem with your theory is that religion and government are so tied together in the OT, that religious statements are usually veiled political statements about Israel and the surrouinding area.

It is a HUGE mistake to read Jesus into OT prophecy. Christendom rejects your interpetation of Daniel and whatever-it-is that's supposed to have happened in 1914 (you have yet to explain that to anyone's satisfaction), because there is no real reason to embrace it. It is a good thing to be doing, because it keeps Christian theology from becoming hopelessly convoluted.

[may]

Originally Posted by sojourner

because there is no real reason to embrace it..

the reason is fullfilled bible prophecy and chronology, and the signs of Jesus PRESENCE or parousia.
Just as Jesus predicted, his "presence" as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developments—war, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of God’s heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of "the last days" of this present wicked system of things.—2 Timothy 3:1-5.

[may]

[quote=sojourner;815802]

It is a HUGE mistake to read Jesus into OT prophecy.quote]

The prophet Daniel recorded a vital Messianic prophecy. In the first year of Darius the Mede, he realized that Jerusalem’s 70-year desolation was near its end. (Jeremiah 29:10; Daniel 9:1-4) While Daniel was praying, the angel Gabriel came and revealed that ‘seventy weeks had been determined to finish off sin.’ The Messiah would be cut off in the middle of the 70th week. "Seventy weeks of years" began in 455 B.C.E. when Persian King Artaxerxes I ‘sent forth the word to rebuild Jerusalem.’ (Daniel 9:20-27; Moffatt; Nehemiah 2:1-8) The Messiah would come after 7 weeks plus 62 weeks. These 483 years ran from 455 B.C.E. to 29 C.E., when Jesus was baptized and God anointed him as the Messiah, or Christ. (Luke 3:21, 22) Jesus ‘finished off sin’ by giving his life as a ransom in 33 C.E. (Mark 10:45) What sound reasons for having faith in God’s prophetic word!

Faith in God’s prophetic word makes it possible for us to identify the Messiah. Of the many Messianic prophecies recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures, a number were directly applied to Jesus by writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures. To illustrate: Jesus was born of a virgin in Bethlehem. (Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2; Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 2:4-11) He was called out of Egypt, and babes were killed after his birth. (Jeremiah 31:15; Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:13-18) Jesus carried our sicknesses. (Isaiah 53:4; Matthew 8:16, 17) As foretold, he entered Jerusalem on the colt of an ***. (Zechariah 9:9; John 12:12-15) The psalmist’s words were fulfilled after Jesus’ impalement when soldiers apportioned his clothing among themselves and cast lots for his inner garment. (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23, 24) The fact that Jesus’ bones were not broken and that he was pierced also fulfilled prophecy. (Psalm 34:20; Zechariah 12:10; John 19:33-37) These are but a few examples of Messianic prophecies applied to Jesus by divinely inspired Bible writers.