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Old 01-13-2007, 09:36 PM
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I don't know which flavor of Christianity you're referring to, but I've never thought that salvation meant escaping damnation. The God I worship isn't even going to send atheists to hell. Of course, I've been told on more than one occasion that I'm not a real Christian, but a fake, so that may explain my perspective.
I'm referring the the one that many millons of Americans (the big majority) believe. I heard many hell-fire, brimstone sermons in my youth.
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Old 01-13-2007, 10:07 PM
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There is only one "Eternal", when he sets something ablaze it is "Eternal Fire"
When that "Eternal Fire" consumes all the fuel it goes out, ergo, Sodom and G'mmorah. Death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire, when it burns out the earth is koshered and the Heavens and Earth are renewed and the Messiah and those who are with him tread the ashes, and the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. There is NO MORE HELL! Ever.
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Old 01-13-2007, 10:18 PM
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I'm referring the the one that many millons of Americans (the big majority) believe. I heard many hell-fire, brimstone sermons in my youth.
No wonder you're so turned off by Christianity! In 58 years, I've never heard one of those. Seriously.
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Old 01-13-2007, 10:54 PM
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I've heard tons of fire & brimstone sermons myself. But thats not why I don't buy into christiany...
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:14 PM
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I've heard tons of fire & brimstone sermons myself. But thats not why I don't buy into christiany...
I'm sure there are a lot of reasons why people don't buy into Christianity. All I was saying is that being constantly threatened with an eternity in hell would be a pretty big turn-off.
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:55 PM
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hmmm...

I am a new member but not new to questions like this. i believe that all of the questions about religion are futile. if "GOD" is this all knowing, all seeing, all hearing yada yada yada then GOD would have no need for man to prove anything to him--her what ever.

Hell is just something told to kids to scare them. I say unto you ALL. I AM GOD. Now before you get all testy, my statement is justified by this simple concept. if GOD created all and all of it is from GOD then I am GOD.

As far as good and evil heaven and hell, Was it not GOD that created it ALL? YES IT WAS God created evil. Now I know that some will say DreGod07 you are crazy but their own bibles back me up. Isaiah 45:7 confirms this.

So listen. Hell is what you make it. One can experience a type of hell when he or she is dying in a hospice of some incurable disease, homeless on the street and dying of hypothermia, a child starving to death etc etc......
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No need to speculate any longer. hell doesn't exist nor will it. god, from your bibles, is the createor of it all good and evil (Isaia 45:7). Your god, as you say is the all knowing, all powerful, all seeing yada yada....... Knows what is going to happen before it does because he created the outcome. it is amazing to see people do what they do in the name of their faith.
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Are the conditions of Hell permenant?

Is there an exit to hell?

Why or why not?
My beliefs in heaven and hell are more of an evolutionary point. With spiritual evolution you are born from raw unformed energy(New Spirit) and evolve to a state of oneness with God. That is if you are evolving. The ability to de-evolve into nothingness is also possible. So I guess the answer to your question from me would be that Hell is the complete loss of self from regression...and that is permanent(to my knowledge).

We can embrace love; it's not too late.
Why do we sleep, instead, with hate?
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to see that Hell is our invention.
We make Hell real; we stoke its fires.
And in its flames our hope expires.
Heaven, too, is merely our creation.
We can grant ourselves out own salvation.
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Okay... this is a bunch of jibberish. Sometimes people have to say stuff and make is sound so deep that they tend to confuse themselves and others as well. It's not as complicated and evolution of ones self. the simple answer is NO. Hell is not permenat because it doesn't exist the way you belive it does because of something you read. Hell is when you can't pay your rent and don't know how you're going to be able to come up with the money to do so. hell is when your childrean are hungry and you can figure out a way to feed them. hell is when you're on the street in the cold and nothing to keep you warm. hell can be as small as a splinter in your finger or the cancer in ypur brain. hell is simple..not complicated as you're making ot out to be. please, you can have all the enlightenment and evolution of spirit all you want.... until you find out your husband or wife is cheating on you. See, hell can present itself and many forms. Not that old fire and brimstone and eternal fire spookism
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It is forever and ever! Permanent! is how we speell it down undies!

Yes every possible sin is displayed! Fornication till to u can't cope with the pressure , ....then more! , every sort of drug and intemperance is mandatory!
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Meanwhile back in paradise.... how many has Dubya managed to murder?.... praise the Lord!
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