Is Hell permenant? (punishment, reincarnation, eternal, faith, Satan)

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

>Is hell permanent?

IOV, no:

The teachings of the Baha'i Faith say that hell (aka spiritual separation from God) is not permanent because in the Next Life, God, through His Mercy, will aid even those most remote from Him (in the depths of hell) to grow spiritually so that they eventually draw near to Him (aka Heaven).

Best,

Bruce

[Kcnorwood]

Originally Posted by JamesThePersian

No, it's the Protestants, not the RCs that have the different Bible. The Reformers threw out OT books that had been accepted as Scripture by the whole Church since the beginning, they didn't add new ones later. The overwhelming majority of Christians throughout history have accepted, and continue to do so, that the Deuterocanon or 'Apocrypha' is Scripture. So far as I'm aware the Mormons use the Protestant Biblical canon and, of course, some other texts such as the Boook of Mormon, in addition to, not as part of, the Bible.

James

Oppps sorry!

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by JamesThePersian

No, it's the Protestants, not the RCs that have the different Bible. The Reformers threw out OT books that had been accepted as Scripture by the whole Church since the beginning, they didn't add new ones later. The overwhelming majority of Christians throughout history have accepted, and continue to do so, that the Deuterocanon or 'Apocrypha' is Scripture. So far as I'm aware the Mormons use the Protestant Biblical canon and, of course, some other texts such as the Boook of Mormon, in addition to, not as part of, the Bible.

James

You are correct. In the post that was quoted nothing from the Bible was mentioned.

The LDS cannon includes:

The Bible (both Old and New Testaments, without the Apocrapha)
The Book of Mormon (A record of people that left Jerusalem about 600BC and ended up somewhere in the Americas)
Doctrine and Covenants (Revelations received mostly through Joseph Smith)
The Pearl of Great Price (A collection of various writings, from ancient - translated by Joseph Smith - to modern)

[FFH]

Originally Posted by Kcnorwood

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as "everlasting fire" (Matthew 25:41), "unquenchable fire" (Matthew 3:12), "shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2), a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44-49), a place of "torments" and "flame" (Luke 16:23,24), "everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place of torment with "fire and brimstone" where "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever" (Revelation 14:10,11), and a "lake of fire and brimstone" where the wicked are "tormented day and night forever and ever" (Revelation 20:10). Jesus Himself indicates that the punishment in hell itself is everlasting - not merely the smoke and flames (Matthew 25:46).

Maybe it's just me but the bible I grew up with says hell is forever! It's a pretty open & shut case here. Unless your one of those where someone didn't like what the bible said & they changed it over the years to fit whatever it is they wanted. There is no escpaing from hell in the bible once your there your butt is cooked ( so to speak)

Okay, I'll try to get to all of these to prove thathell is prepared for eternity for Satan and his angels and the sons of perdition (those who deny the Holy Ghost and deny Jesus Christ after seeing him)

Matthew 25: 41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Yes these will depart into an everlasting fire, but it says nothing about them spending an eternity in hell which is prepared to house only the devil and his angels and the sons of perdition for eternity. Many will spend time in hell but will be redeemed. They will come out of hell but not necessarily to heaven but to a lesser world prepared for them.

Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Nothing about eternity here, just a description of the fire.

Daniel 12: 12
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Again the same, but to a lesser degree, for instance there is no fire mentioned here.

That's all I have time for now, but will continue evaluating the rest of the scriptures later.

[logician]

Is hell permanent?

Well, Bush has stretched it out for 6 years, although it does seem like an eternity.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by FFH

i assumed he had the right scripture reference, but apparently not, that's what I get for not checking it myself.

I'll post the correct scripture reference regarding Satan and his angels being cast into the lake of fire, which he was referring to.

I used Rev. 20:15, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire," to counter this which you said,

Originally Posted by FFH

Excellent scripture which proves Hell is an eternal place of torment reserved only for Satan and his angels.

Obviously the lake of fire not just reserved for Satan and his angels. The "whosoever" refers to people.

Perhaps you are referring to what the literal scriptural definition of hell is which is a place reserved for Satin and his angels. The common use of hell refers to the lake of fire into which hell will be cast.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by FFH

Edit: Sandy Whitlinger show me a scripture which says the average Joe on the street will burn throughout the eternities in hell because of his sins and because He chooses not to repent and believe in Christ and His teachings.

You can't find one.

You're right. No one goes to hell (technically the lake of fire) because of their sins. They are condemned because they reject Christ. Did you bring this up because of something I said or are you just on a rant?

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by FFH

It's true that those who are not found in the Lambs Book of Life will be thrown into the lake of fire, but it does not say forever.

Would you say then that Matthew 25:46, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal," is irrelevant to this?

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by Kcnorwood

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as "everlasting fire" (Matthew 25:41), "unquenchable fire" (Matthew 3:12), "shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2), a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44-49), a place of "torments" and "flame" (Luke 16:23,24), "everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place of torment with "fire and brimstone" where "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever" (Revelation 14:10,11), and a "lake of fire and brimstone" where the wicked are "tormented day and night forever and ever" (Revelation 20:10). Jesus Himself indicates that the punishment in hell itself is everlasting - not merely the smoke and flames (Matthew 25:46).

Two things here. First you are describing the lake of fire and not hell. Hell is a place reserved for Satan and his angels and will be thrown into the lake of fire. Next what you are describing is that the lake of fire is eternal but not the people who are thrown into it. Try Matt. 25:46 for a reference to that.

There are probaly a lot more references to those who go to the lake of fire perishing than being there for eternity in torment.