God in Nature (Creator, Earth, evolution, creation, God)

Bright-ness' Shadow · #1 12-28-2006, 02:15 PM

I'll define nature as the material world and the processes that govern it.

God is defined as the creater and diety still active in this world.

Some have said that nature is evidence for God. But when confronted with scientific evidence, a subset of those have said the God created the process. For example, the creation story is doubted because of the compelling evidence of evolution. Doubted not in the original creation for that is still up for grabs, but in the thought expressed in creation that God created all the animals. Throw in all the insects, bacteria and plant world, you have a number, living today, that flat makes the thought preposterious. So, against/because of the logic of evolution, a "saving face" was placed on the creation story that God really created evolution instead of each and every living thing.

If God is responsible for the process of evolution, it follows that the process in meteorology, and the process of plate tectonics that created continents and mountain ranges are his doing as well, If he is responsible for the processes, then he is responsible for the good and bad that results from the process. Earthquakes and tsunami deaths are his responsibilty. He is responsible for tornado and hurricane deaths. He is responsible or, at least, shares responsibilty for the extinction of species (man does his part too!).

Now lets take a further subset within the group that advocate God is the process-maker. These believe that God is good and only good.

This failure of critical thinking, first the creation itself, the maker of the process in nature, and finally, that God is good in spite of these shows that nature can not be evidence of God if it is maintained that God is only good. Or it shows that God is only partially good.

Victor · #2 12-28-2006, 02:40 PM

Sure if we start with the premise of God is the law-maker vs. the process maker.

EiNsTeiN · #3 12-28-2006, 02:48 PM

There is a thread which talks about the same topic...why did God created a non-perfect world...

I posted there that it's logic for the world to be not perfect..
You can check post there:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...501#post689501

And by the way, evolution is not proven to be true, and we don't think God created evolution, we think the first human to be created is Adam, and then Eve

Bright-ness' Shadow · #4 12-28-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

Sure if we start with the premise of God is the law-maker vs. the process maker.

I don't see that answer to any question the OP might or did raise.

Bright-ness' Shadow · #5 12-28-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EiNsTeiN

There is a thread which talks about the same topic...why did God created a non-perfect world...

I posted there that it's logic for the world to be not perfect..
You can check post there:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...501#post689501

And by the way, evolution is not proven to be true, and we don't think God created evolution, we think the first human to be created is Adam, and then Eve

The point for discussion is the faulty nature of statements made about God (which could be your thread) and specifically God is good vs God as a scientific creator. It also goes to the credibility of what some consider evidence.

Victor · #6 12-29-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bright-ness

I don't see that answer to any question the OP might or did raise.

So be it. Then continue on with your premise, enjoy.

Bright-ness' Shadow · #7 12-29-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

So be it. Then continue on with your premise, enjoy.

Geez,Victor. It was an invitation to explain what you meant by "Sure if we start with the premise of God is the law-maker vs. the process maker".

Victor · #8 12-29-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bright-ness

Geez,Victor. It was an invitation to explain what you meant by "Sure if we start with the premise of God is the law-maker vs. the process maker".

Really? That completely when over my head. How is:
I don't see that answer to any question the OP might or did raise.
an invitation?

Nonetheless I work on the now, not the past.

Well if God is the law maker vs. the process maker then he doesn't necessarily get involved in the process at all. He simply created the laws and everything else took it's course. That help?

Bright-ness' Shadow · #9 12-29-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

Really? That completely when over my head. How is:
I don't see that answer to any question the OP might or did raise.
an invitation?

Nonetheless I work on the now, not the past.

Well if God is the law maker vs. the process maker then he doesn't necessarily get involved in the process at all. He simply created the laws and everything else took it's course. That help?