God in Nature (Creator, Earth, evolution, creation, God)

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Perhaps God is natural, rather than being in Nature...

The OP question is a variant on the oft-asked teaser: can you see the Eternal in the transient?

When I see a flower, I see something spiritual made manifest: a unique indivisible thing expressing its immortality and essence in a temporary form.

This is also how I view human beings: what meaningful difference is there in the blossom, bloom and wilting of our lives as the flowers? None if you avoid the poison of comparison: the flower is part of the content of OUR consciousness as we are of God's...

Now why posit a maker of all of this @ all? I do not see a Maker: a processor or designer of things is not self-evident, so why should it be so in Nature?

The Maker or Designer of Nature cannot be equated logically with Nature itself: this is the paradoxical flaw of pantheism. Unless you believe Gaia theory, the natural world has no Self-hood: on the contrary, it is, like many peoples god or gods, and impersonal force acting upon all of its subjects (like us).

No, there is no way around it: to sealeth the sum in all perfection, one must necessarily conclude that the maker or designer is an illusory abstraction, a qualia or anomaly of perception. In fact, it is a construct of the Ego, superimposing the false reality of transcience over the true reality of the Eternal.

It is your Ego that makes you think there is a maker, a processor or designer. This is the truth: it's implications are being made clear in science currently, but for the mystic its revelation is astounding in its simplicity and awesome in its implicit potential.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Godlike

Perhaps God is natural, rather than being in Nature...

I always thought that any diety is supernatural

The OP question is a variant on the oft-asked teaser: can you see the Eternal in the transient?

When I see a flower, I see something spiritual made manifest: a unique indivisible thing expressing its immortality and essence in a temporary form.

This is also how I view human beings: what meaningful difference is there in the blossom, bloom and wilting of our lives as the flowers? None if you avoid the poison of comparison: the flower is part of the content of OUR consciousness as we are of God's...

Now why posit a maker of all of this @ all? I do not see a Maker: a processor or designer of things is not self-evident, so why should it be so in Nature?

The Maker or Designer of Nature cannot be equated logically with Nature itself: this is the paradoxical flaw of pantheism. Unless you believe Gaia theory, the natural world has no Self-hood: on the contrary, it is, like many peoples god or gods, and impersonal force acting upon all of its subjects (like us).

No, there is no way around it: to sealeth the sum in all perfection, one must necessarily conclude that the maker or designer is an illusory abstraction, a qualia or anomaly of perception. In fact, it is a construct of the Ego, superimposing the false reality of transcience over the true reality of the Eternal.

It is your Ego that makes you think there is a maker, a processor or designer. This is the truth: it's implications are being made clear in science currently, but for the mystic its revelation is astounding in its simplicity and awesome in its implicit potential.

Not that I understand much of what is said here, but I have used the definitions that commonly occur and personally given as "being in another's moccassin".