Sin in Heaven? (Kingdom, sin, bible, Commandment, Biblical)

[Ðanisty]

Originally Posted by Wandered Off

But... If we lacked free will, would we even know it? That is, if free will means there is a choice to make, the lack of free will means there isn't a choice, so would we miss something we didn't know existed?

Of course we'd know it. A slave has no freewill...no choice, but he still knows it.

[cturne]

Originally Posted by wanderer085

I do not believe in the concept of sin, or in any need to be "forgiven" for it. Obsession with "sin" has killed and tortured millions of people.

SIN has killed and tortured millions of people, not an obsession with it.

[wmam]

1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Why would an malak need judging?

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Violence and suffering in heaven? Some would say that this is sin.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

WAR!!!!!!???????? Wouldn't war against the Most High be considered sin?

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Isn't this speaking of the Kingdom here on earth?

Why a sin offering and why should there must be a reconciliation for the house of Yisrael if there is no more sin?

I believe we have always had free will and will always have free will. It will always be our choice to choose either life or death, curse or blessing.

[may]

[quote=wmam]

WAR!!!!!!???????? Wouldn't war against the Most High be considered sin?

quote] the war that went on in heaven , has already happened, and the war started in 1914 when Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom Daniel 2;44 daniel 7;13-14... and the war was between Jesus as the newly crowded king, and satan and his angelic followers , but Jesus was the winner and he threw them out of heaven , as a newly crowded king he was making his goverment nice and clean with no more opposers to disrupt things. that is why it was WOE for the earth since 1914 because the devil is down here in a very angry state .
rev 12;9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
rev 12;12On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time."

[wmam]

Originally Posted by may

the war that went on in heaven , has already happened, and the war started in 1914 when Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom , etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Even though I disagree with your interpretation, and this is not the thread to debate such, I thank you of showing at least some scriptural proof as to my answer to the "OP" with regards to the question at hand, "Is there sin in heaven?" I still stand with "YES" as there is "Freewill" through out to all of Elohims creation.

[Wandered Off]

Originally Posted by Ðanisty

Of course we'd know it. A slave has no freewill...no choice, but he still knows it.

That's a great point, Danisty. For that question I was thinking that our free will would be missing in the sense that all potentially "sinful" choices simply would not exist, rather than in the sense of being forced to do what we're told like a slave. In the latter case, choices theoretically exist but with severe consequences. Maybe that's a distinction without difference, though. Good thoughts.

[TurkeyOnRye]

If heaven exists, which it doesn't, Heaven must certainly be nothing like Earth. There probably wouldn't be choices to make that would allow the opportunity for sin. Imagine mental serenety and silence, awareness of your existence and of God. Absolute love, joy, peace and silence. Meditative in a sense. What I am referring to more or less is what the Buddhists call the Source. It can be felt on Earth.

To attain mental serenity, satisfaction and joy in all things is called "enlightenment." The requirement is to die before you die.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Kungfuzed

Is there sin in heaven? Or is the free will we imagine having in this life taken back? Or are there simply no rules or commandments to break in heaven?

No sin any more in heaven. Only those faithful people will enter to heaven and God will make their heart totally pure before they enter to heaven. No evil anymore and no sin anymore.

[wmam]

Originally Posted by The Truth

No sin any more in heaven. Only those faithful people will enter to heaven and God will make their heart totally pure before they enter to heaven. No evil anymore and no sin anymore.

I don't, and won't pretend to, know about what the koran say's about the subject of sin in heaven but as far as I can find, and not saying that it isn't there, in the KJV no where does it state what you have suggested in this, your last post. Please show me your scriptural proof or is this just your understading?

[wmam]

Originally Posted by TurkeyOnRye

If heaven exists, which it doesn't, Heaven must certainly be nothing like Earth.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:8 And Elohim called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:17 And Elohim set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:20 And Elohim said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Well, I look to truth and it pretty much states that Heaven does exist. Though you may not be a follower of the truth and would not see such.