A question of tollerance (Jesus, Earth, gospel, salvation, tradition)

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

No, it didn't. As human beings, we can easily discern which religions advocate killing. As human beings, we are not qualified to judge -- nor are we justified in judging -- which religions will lead people to hell. For some reason, though, I suspect you'll disagree.

Jesus said we are to teach people whatsoever things He has taught us, this is not just the things that make us popular and well liked but also warning them of the grave threatenings contained in scripture:
Mt 28v20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
One of those things is repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ:
Acts 20v21: Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
If a religion is deviod of that then we can say along with Jesus and the Apostles:
Jn 3v18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 4v12: Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved
1Cor 16v22: If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
So we are perfectly safe in repeating the judgements that are so clearly proclaimed in God's Word as they are not our judgements but Gods'.
I think it's a safe bet that Stimpleton is not using her own judgement when she says which religions will keep a person on their path to hell but simply believes the clear teaching of scripture.

[Scuba Pete]

It's funny... Jesus only condemned the religious of his day.

I am sure he would do the same today. Those who think they are tight with Jesus for what they have done, have usually missed the whole point of his existence.

[*Paul*]

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Originally Posted by NetDoc

It's funny... Jesus only condemned the religious of his day.

That's true netdoc because they ought to have known better. Did he condemn them for being religious? No, how could he when he was the one who gave them their religion through Moses. It was for adding their own traditions to his commands and putting priority of them over the word of God, and for their hypocrisy.

I am sure he would do the same today. Those who think they are tight with Jesus for what they have done, have usually missed the whole point of his existence.

If anyone thinks they are right with God because of anything they have done other than recieve the offer God made to them through the gospel, know nothing at all and are in a delusion.

[PureX]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

That's true netdoc because they ought to have known better. Did he condemn them for being religious? No, how could he when he was the one who gave them their religion through Moses. It was for adding their own traditions to his commands and putting priority of them over the word of God, and for their hypocrisy.

I think Jesus condemned the Pharasees because they practiced religion to the exclusion of the spirit that the religion was intended to foster. They put the letter of the law before the spirit of justice that the laws were meant to support. They memorized the words of their scriptures, and missed the wisdom of what they meant. They performed the rituals of religion as though doing so would buy them righteousness. They practiced heartless religiosity, and practiced it in God's name. This is what made Jesus so angry.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by PureX

I think Jesus condemned the Pharasees because they practiced religion to the exclusion of the spirit that the religion was intended to foster. They put the letter of the law before the spirit of justice that the laws were meant to support. They memorized the words of their scriptures, and missed the wisdom of what they meant. They performed the rituals of religion as though doing so would buy them righteousness. They practiced heartless religiosity, and practiced it in God's name. This is what made Jesus so angry.

I agree with you PureX but not to the exclusion of what I posted but in addition to it, but you have summed it up better than I did. I had a specific scripture in mind about them making Gods command of non effect by their tradition, but generally speaking I agree with you, though you probably apply it to modern day christianity or the fundamentalist expression of it.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

I think it's a safe bet that Stimpleton is not using her own judgement when she says which religions will keep a person on their path to hell but simply believes the clear teaching of scripture.

You might want to read through the following thread and tell me if you still feel that way:

One-on-one (Stimpy vs Katzpur): Mormonism takes people away from God.

Incidentally, all of the scriptures you mentioned are good examples of some of the things we can teach others. But in none of them does Jesus advocate our telling our brothers and sisters that they're going to Hell. Is that honestly what you believe the gist of Christ's message to be?

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

It's funny... Jesus only condemned the religious of his day.

I am sure he would do the same today. Those who think they are tight with Jesus for what they have done, have usually missed the whole point of his existence.

Well put!

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

Did he condemn them for being religious?

Matthew 12:7 If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. NIV

Words of derision hold very little room for any mercy.

[PureX]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

I agree with you PureX but not to the exclusion of what I posted but in addition to it, but you have summed it up better than I did. I had a specific scripture in mind about them making Gods command of non effect by their tradition, but generally speaking I agree with you, though you probably apply it to modern day christianity or the fundamentalist expression of it.

There are a lot of Christians these days who I think are worshipping their religion, and their scriptures, rather than the spirit that their religion and scriptures were intended to foster and support, just as the Pharisees did. Jesus was all about the spirit of God's love and forgiveness. In fact, he was the embodiment of God's love and forgiveness on Earth. But because the religionists were so caught up in worshipping their religion, instead of the spirit that their religion was intended to serve, they did not recognize Jesus as the Christ (God's love made flesh) even as Christ stood right in front of them. And they actually plotted to murder Jesus to protect their religion and their religiosity FROM the spirit of God!

Having made an idol of their religion and their scriptures, they became the enemy of the very Christ they claimed to be awaiting, and they murdered him when he came among them. And these "Pharisees" are still among us, and still worshipping their religion and their scriptures, and still trying to murder the spirit of God's love on Earth, just as Christ is still among us embodying that spirit in human form.

[Ozzie]

Originally Posted by Stimpleton

Is it possible for someone to be truly tollerant of all religious beliefs?

If not, why?

If so, why?

Are you tollerant of all religious beliefs or are there some that just grate on you or seem ludicrous??

No. Because anything at all can be passed off as a religious belief.