Can A Muslim Be A Christian Too? (Jesus, beliefs, follower)

[maro]

Originally Posted by fullyveiled muslimah

This is an interesting topic. The Islamic veiwpoint is broad and is much like the Bahai veiwpoint. Islam was not started with Muhammad (saw) it ended with him. It staeted with Adam (as) and continues on. What is Islam? Islam is the belief first and foremost in Tauheed. Tauheed is in short monotheism. It is the belief that there is only one God in existance period, to the exclusion of any other thing that might be held as God. We as muslims believe this is the only messege to have ever been revealed to mankind at all. God has sent throughout the ages His messengers (many of which were sent to the Bani Israel). Allah has informed us in Quran that He has sent a messenger (or tow or three at a time) to every nation on Earth.

Why so many messengers? Well because Allah's messege is gradual. The core messege (tauheed) is as it always was, but the actual rulings changed according to the time and people. Humans have gone through much mental evolution. What I mean is as mankind progressed we became more able to grasp complex concepts and ideas. Jesus testified to this fact in the bible where he says to his disciples that he has much to tell them but they cannot bear it now. Why not? My thoughts are that they would not have been able to grasp whatever complexities he threw at them. People were already so perplexed at the simple messege he had delivered, that you can see why he would refrain from saying anything more.

In short it should never have evolved into Judaism and Christianity and Ilsam as seperate religions. It should have all been one thing and it was, until people changed and altered what was really there. This was done both knowingly and unknowingly I think. We can see that each prophet of the respective religions all said the same thing. Moses said that Israel your Lord is One Lord. Jesus was recorded as saying the same thing, and Muhammad told his people there is no god but God.

We all should have been the same religion, but alas as it stands we cannot be the same.

[JMoum04]

Originally Posted by maro

most certainly not ,

a muslim , is the one who submitt to Allah
believes in Muhammed 's prophecy , and that he is the last prophet
believes in the Quran and sunna , and follow their teachings

so a muslim can never , ever , be anything except a muslim

And yet so many Christians would say the same thing about becoming Muslim. Muhhamed is obviously not Christ, yet many Christians have converted to Islam in their lifetimes, while many others haven't, all because, in the eyes of Muslims, they misunderstood the writings.

[Popeyesays]

"Son of God" as a metaphor? Yes.
"Son of God" as a genetic fact? No. Muslims do believe that Jesus had no earthly father, Baha`i's accept the metaphor, but not the encumbering genetic question.

jesus was begat upon Mary by the WILL of God, not by semen and DNA. Muslims accept the fact that Mary was a virgin untouched, but believe that God is above Gender and physical form--therefore genetically begets no one.

It would be simpler for those who wish to combine Islam, Judaism and Christianity to investigate the Baha`i Faith which accfepts all Those Apostles of God PLUS Buddha, Krishna, Abraham, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha`u'llah.

You can find unity underlying all religion, it's much easier to discover the Unity, than try to patch it together on one's own.

Regards,
Scott

[maro]

Originally Posted by jmoum

And yet so many Christians would say the same thing about becoming Muslim. Muhhamed is obviously not Christ, yet many Christians have converted to Islam in their lifetimes, while many others haven't, all because, in the eyes of Muslims, they misunderstood the writings.

most of the christians who convert to islam , because they can't accept the (trinity issue ),
not because Muhammed(Pbuh) is the christ , if this what u mean

[JMoum04]

Originally Posted by maro

most of the christians who convert to islam , because they can't accept the (trinity issue ),
not because Muhammed(Pbuh) is the christ , if this what u mean

It doesn't matter what reasons a Christian has for converting, that doesn't change the fact though the people still recognize Muhhamed's station and convert to Islam even though they know he isn't Christ.

[maj123]

Your question really remind me with an old story which said that a King
called three persons Muslim, Christian and Jewsh then he asked them to
tell him which among you will enter paradise ?- you have to give me the right
answer or I will kill you-
the Jewish man said let the christian man answer first.
the Christian man said let the muslim answer first.
then the Muslim man said if the Jewish enter paradise then I'll enter pradise too
because I beleive in Moses (PBUH). and if the Christain enter paradise I'll enter
the paradise too because I believe in Jesus (PBUH) too.
But I enter the paradise Jewish and chritian not, Because the do not beleive in Muhammed (PBUH).
Thanks

[Hacker]

I don't see how a Muslim could be a Christian when Allah prohibits his followers from worshipping anyone else but him. So no, there is no way that a Muslim could be a Christian technically speaking. Christians worship Jesus don't ya think?

[BruceDLimber]

Originally Posted by Bruce

Most certainly, if one becomes a Baha'i! :-)

Originally Posted by maro

most certainly not ,

a muslim , is the one who submitt to Allah
believes in Muhammed 's prophecy , and that he is the last prophet
believes in the Quran and sunna , and follow their teachings

Sorry, Maro, but you couldn't be more wrong!

Baha'is have no problem whatever accepting ALL of the Divine Messengers God has sent!

And as to Muhammad, the Qur'an calls Him the Seal of the minor prophets ("nabi"), NOT of all Divine Messengers ("Ras'ul")!

Further, there is a sense in which EVERY Messenger is the first and the last, the alpha and the omega, the beginning, the end, and the seal!

In addition, the word in the Qur'an often translated as "Seal" also means "ornament," so it's entirely possible it's simply calling Muhammad the Ornament of the prophets--nothing about a finish at all!

Just the facts. :-)

Peace,

Bruce

[maro]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

Sorry, Maro, but you couldn't be more wrong!

Baha'is have no problem whatever accepting ALL of the Divine Messengers God has sent!

And as to Muhammad, the Qur'an calls Him the Seal of the minor prophets ("nabi"), NOT of all Divine Messengers ("Ras'ul")!

Further, there is a sense in which EVERY Messenger is the first and the last, the alpha and the omega, the beginning, the end, and the seal!

In addition, the word in the Qur'an often translated as "Seal" also means "ornament," so it's entirely possible it's simply calling Muhammad the Ornament of the prophets--nothing about a finish at all!

Just the facts. :-)

Peace,

Bruce

bruce , I think we have dicussed it before

first ,I would like you to know that you are talking to an arab muslim

and i have been , studing both Arabic and the quran since my childhood

so , I have no 0.0000001 % doubt , in what the verse is supposed to mean

and we have told you before , when it comes to arabic , you have to ask
a reliable (neutral ) arab about it ,

there is also hadith sahih , that says that Muhammed is the last prophet ,to Earth

**Another thing i want you to know , is that all messengers are prophets ,but not vice versa
which means that if muhammed is the last prophet , then he is the last messenger as well

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

Sorry, Maro, but you couldn't be more wrong!

I fully realize you are a firm "believer" Bruce, but on this one dear Maro is quite correct. The simple reality is that is doen't matter in the slightest how your faith perceives this issue. What is important is how Muslims perceive the issue. It IS their religion, so it stands to reason that they would know.

Again, it is of no consequence what you or I or anyone else thinks on this matter. Period.