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Old 11-19-2006, 06:35 PM
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Baha`u'llah tells us there MUST be a renewal every thousand years or so. Baha`u'llah is not the last.

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Then How do u explain the fact that some1 dies young while others lived 120 yrs?

How do u explain that in a plane crash; majority of people on that plane died while one or two people survived on the same plane?

Or that sum1 died in a suicide bombing just because he/she was sitting a meter or 2 from another perosn who survived.

Pure luck? I doubt it.
I don't explain. I also don't think that what you've said is really relevant to what i did.
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Perhaps people like these simply use the mythological beliefs of the people as the background in which to frame universal teachings?
Well; the so called 'mythological beliefs' are actually quite good theories to explain the questions such as :

How do u explain the fact that some1 dies young while others lived 120 yrs?

How do u explain that in a plane crash; majority of people on that plane died while one or two people survived on the same plane?

Or that sum1 died in a suicide bombing just because he/she was sitting a meter or 2 from another perosn who survived.
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The mechanism of judgment
What do u mean by 'mechanism of judgement' ?

From my understanding in Judaism, Islam and Baha'i the socalled 'mechanism of judgement' seem to be the God. Is this what u mean?
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What do u mean by 'mechanism of judgement' ?

From my understanding in Judaism, Islam and Baha'i the socalled 'mechanism of judgement' seem to be the God. Is this what u mean?
I was referring to the concept of one big single 'JUDGMENT Day' as opposed to judgment as individuals die.

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I was referring to the concept of one big single 'JUDGMENT Day' as opposed to judgment as individuals die.
Well; that one single Big Judgement day probably only applies to monotheists like Muslims or Jews; not to buddhists who believe in individual jusgements when one dies

So one can't really say that Buddha's teaching and Moses or Jesus' teachings come from the same one God
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Well; that one single Big Judgement day probably only applies to monotheists like Muslims or Jews; not to buddhists who believe in individual jusgements when one dies

So one can't really say that Buddha's teaching and Moses or Jesus' teachings come from the same one God
Or then can because they all teach principles of love, acceptance, responsibility, etc. etc. and you're just nitpicking on the superficial concepts that are used to explain what we cannot otherwise explain and motivate people to adhere to the teachings.

You know, my friend Ernest and I are radically different. He dresses differently than me, he talks differently than me, he has a completely different major than me, etc. etc. Anyone with any sense would say that we're not much alike at all. Until you think about the fact that those differences are superficial, and that when you look beneath the surface, we're very much alike.
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Well; that one single Big Judgement day probably only applies to monotheists like Muslims or Jews; not to buddhists who believe in individual jusgements when one dies

So one can't really say that Buddha's teaching and Moses or Jesus' teachings come from the same one God
Nonsense. First, one cannot what the Buddha actually said. Time and the tendency to NOT write down the Buddha's actual words have corrupted what we understand. Second, all of those religions are concerned with living THIS life, which if anything fortifies the position that they all come from the same source. A paradigm shift is required for this new age of reason and civilization we can remain attached to our old notions and destroy the world around us, or make the shift and elevate the reality around us to a new paradigm.

"Praise be to God! The medieval ages of darkness have passed away and this century of radiance has dawned, this century wherein the reality of things is becoming evident, wherein science is penetrating the mysteries of the universe, the oneness of the world of humanity is being established, and service to mankind is the paramount motive of all existence. Shall we remain steeped in our fanaticisms and cling to our prejudices? Is it fitting that we should still be bound and restricted by ancient fables and superstitions of the past, be handicapped by superannuated beliefs and the ignorances of dark ages, waging religious wars, fighting and shedding blood, shunning and anathematizing each other? Is this becoming? Is it not better for us to be loving and considerate toward each other? Is it not preferable to enjoy fellowship and unity, join in anthems of praise to the most high God and extol all His Prophets in the spirit of acceptance and true vision? Then, indeed, this world will become a paradise, and the promised Day of God will dawn. Then, according to the prophecy of Isaiah, the wolf and the lamb will drink from the same stream, the owl and the vulture will nest together in the same branches, and the lion and the calf pasture in the same meadow. What does this mean? It means that fierce and contending religions, hostile creeds and divergent beliefs will reconcile and associate, notwithstanding their former 370 hatreds and antagonism. Through the liberalism of human attitude demanded in this radiant century they will blend together in perfect fellowship and love. This is the spirit and meaning of Isaiah's words. There will never be a day when this prophecy will come to pass literally, for these animals by their natures cannot mingle and associate in kindness and love. Therefore, this prophecy symbolizes the unity and agreement of races, nations and peoples who will come together in attitudes of intelligence, illumination and spirituality.
The age has dawned when human fellowship will become a reality.
The century has come when all religions shall be unified."
(Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 369)

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Greetings. This is an interesting thread, (thank you Burcham), and many good thoughts have been expressed. I would like to offer another view of the three religion-founders - Krishna, Gautama Buddha, and Jesus. My apologies if there is any interruption to the ongoing discussion; but I am not expecting any because this view is not vastly different from those already covered by others.

In this view, the three founders are three separate individuals in different times, spaces, and cultures - humans that participated within history. However, there is one God and each realized the same being with God - one. That is, each realized his identity with the source of being (which is God, the Infinite, the Eternal, or other name) and was a God-human in perfect unity. In Hema analogy, the 'drop' became aware of the 'ocean' and the self identity changed to oneness with God. We all have the same potential since God is within each of us. I am not an expert on 'Avatars' but my thought is that an 'Avatar' is one that has realized the oneness with God as compared to most humans that have not realized it in their consciousness. With this view, the source of the religions is the same - the God-human being - and the founder lives his being with the aim to make this available for the rest of us. Thus, as I have posted in other threads, the source and aim of each and all religions is the same. It is easy to see why there are differences on the surface of the religions because each founder had a different culture to interact with so his statements would be different, the reception from people at that time would be different, and the chain of passage to the present time is different, as are we.
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Or then can because they all teach principles of love, acceptance, responsibility, etc. etc. and you're just nitpicking on the superficial concepts that are used to explain what we cannot otherwise explain and motivate people to adhere to the teachings.


Ok; suppose you are right. All religions are the same in teaching basic principles of love, acceptance and responsibility. It is only the superficial things that separate the religions.

Then; in this case Muslims and Jews and other monotheists can read Buddhist sutras and believe in Buddhism without offending their God or going to hell; right? Since all regions are the same and came from the same God (according to u). This will also save them the woe of fighting over the so called Holy Land since there won't be a holy land anymore if they are Buddhists.

Another thing I want to ask is that most monotheists (Muslims and Jews etc) say that those who worship multiple Gods are pagans and will go to hell. Well; according to Baha’i people all religions came from the same God; so does this mean Buddhists and Hindus won’t end up in hell anymore?
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