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Old 09-13-2006, 04:55 PM
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Prove that a just God--not necessarily a merciful God, but strictly a just God--can ethically send people to eternal torture, based solely on rational arguments and not recitation from Scripture.

EDIT: If you believe in such a thing.
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Old 09-17-2006, 11:34 AM
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Ethically? Are you trying to suggest that God is or should be bound by human ethics or man's way of thinking?
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Prove that a just God--not necessarily a merciful God, but strictly a just God--can ethically send people to eternal torture, based solely on rational arguments and not recitation from Scripture.
Why would I even want to prove something that isn't true?
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Ethically? Are you trying to suggest that God is or should be bound by human ethics or man's way of thinking?
Just see if you can do it (in fairness to Katz, if you believe in such a thing).
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Well... He is God... So... He can do it!

And what ethics are you using? Todays current ones? And if you are talking about todays current ones... are you talking Americas ethics? How about the ethics of those people who think its ethical to kill people for not being their own religion?
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Prove that a just God--not necessarily a merciful God, but strictly a just God--can ethically send people to eternal torture, based solely on rational arguments and not recitation from Scripture.
Why ask for proof of such a thing that cannot be proven? But here is an argument.

The soul is eternal but the human form and personality are not. If a being chooses not to be selfish even though it has no reason to then the soul combines with this human personality forever to become an everlasting universal personality on the path to heaven.

Now if the human personality is selfish then the soul rejects it and in the afterlife it departs to find another thus leaving the human personality unable to ascend. The personality then goes to the only place it can, a lower level that is ruled by already established selfish beings that came before.
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Prove that a just God--not necessarily a merciful God, but strictly a just God--can ethically send people to eternal torture, based solely on rational arguments and not recitation from Scripture.
I agree with Katzpur, there is no reason to prove a false statement. A just God cannot send someone to Hell for eternal torture. Either Hell is not torture, or it is not eternal, or both, or it doesn't exist.
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Ethically? Are you trying to suggest that God is or should be bound by human ethics or man's way of thinking?
1) Is God good? Merciful? Loving? Just?
2) Is unending torture good, merciful, loving, or just?
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