Reincarnation (Jesus, Earth, paradise, mystic, Kingdom)

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If our souls were created in the likeness of father with powers and free will.
Once our monkey/man dies does our soul still have free will.
If it does, is it unreasonable to comprehend that our soul could choose rebirth.
A soul is not a human. But enters Humans at birth.
Where does it say that a soul can do this only once.

[fromthe heart]

Originally Posted by ^happy

If our souls were created in the likeness of father with powers and free will.
Once our monkey/man dies does our soul still have free will.
If it does, is it unreasonable to comprehend that our soul could choose rebirth.
A soul is not a human. But enters Humans at birth.
Where does it say that a soul can do this only once.

Perspnally I believe that our time on earth is a time of making choices for going beyond this life into our eternity. Our souls/spirits destiny is determined by our earthly choices...we choose to go to paradise or we choose to go to torment...once we die though our spirit has no more choice...we have determined that in our earthly life and free will is done.

There is a place in the Bible that says it's appointed ONCE for man to die...if you don't get the exact verse to look it up for yourself and would like me to find it I will.

[MysticSang'ha]

That would quite possibly be Hebrews 9:27:


"And just as it is appointed for mortals to die once, and after that the judgement, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (Hebrews 9: 27-28)




I do have a different take on this verse. In this incarnation, I will only die once, and after this death, there will be a judgement on my life. There are other verses in the Bible which suggest and/or allow interpretation for reincarnation:



Malachi 4:5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes."

Matthew 11:11-15 "I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear."


Matthew 17:10-13 "The disciples asked him, 'Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?' Jesus replied, 'To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.' Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist."

Luke 9:7-8 "Now Herod the tetrarch heard about all that was going on. And he was perplexed, because some were saying that John had been raised from the dead, others that Elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life."



Even Origen in his De Principiis claims:


"The soul has neither beginning nor end… [They] come into this world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defeats of their previous lives."

Revelations also describes the "Lake of Fire" as being "the second death."

Galatians also describes the concept of divine justice (what I call karma) by exclaiming "what you sow, so you shall reap." Divine justice cannot be applied realistically if a person sins and sins and sins and dies, within one single lifetime, and does not need to face his or her own transgressions.

I agree in that this lifetime for me will only happen once, but for finite sins to be punished for an eternity does not logically follow the concept of divine justice. Therefore, in my tradition, if I have not purified my karma by experiencing hardships and/or acting with kindness and compassion to others, then I will find myself in a future life continuing this journey. The good news is that we all will find ourselves individually perfected some time in the near or distant future.

Peace,
Mystic

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From the heart,
If I understand you correctly you believe man has free wil, but the soul does not?

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Hebrews 9:27 it is appointed unto men once to die, after this the judgement. The soul does not die. Only the monkey/man dies.
Why would it not be possible for one result of the judgement to be that the soul would be required to be reborn to learn more?
I do thank all for their input.

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Its according to your acts here on earth.......but you must remember when the body dies the soul must return until its acquired karma has expired, manifested and unmanifested until that occurs the wheel of samsara continues for the embodied jiva, as far as the jiva not having free will when it leaves this mortal coil it is not so.....if the acquired karma has not expired for that jiva, it is compelled to come back to this earthly mundane existence until it is, for that in part is one of the many lessons a jiva must learn in order to achieve the Godhead....that is krsna's gift to us all but its up to us if we want to go there or not.

[Moses the God Archetype*]

Hahahahahahaha...(estatic laughter), i like the terminology HAPPY many blessings to you.

[anders]

Originally Posted by ^happy

If our souls [...]

This presupposes the existence of "souls". I don't believe in them as something human separate from the body and its functions. Thus, I don't believe in reincarnation, rebirth, metempsychosis, resurrection or any other name for their recycling.

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Anders,
Are you saying you don't believe in souls or you believe in them you just believe they die with the human?

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To MysticSang'ha and Moses the God Archetype:
I really enjoyed both your posts, very informative for me.