Transubstantiation (blood, doctrine, Christians, Christ, theology)

[Bishka]

Where did this idea come from and how do you believe that the bread and wine of the Eucharist actually turn into the blood and body of Christ, and is there any proof to this?

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by beckysoup61

Where did this idea come from and how do you believe that the bread and wine of the Eucharist actually turn into the blood and body of Christ, and is there any proof to this?

Are you asking about the Real Presence (which is the belief, commonly held by the majority of Christians, that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist) or are you actually referring to Transubstantiation? The latter is an attempt by the RCC to explain the Real Presence. There are others such as consubstantiation and we leave the whole thing unexplained, as Mystery. You do not have to subscribe to Transubstantiation, however, to believe that the bread and wine truly become the Body and Blood, which is why I'm asking whether you're interested in the belief (the Real Presence) or simply the RC explanation for it.

James

[Bishka]

The latter

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by JamesThePersian

Are you asking about the Real Presence (which is the belief, commonly held by the majority of Christians, that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist) or are you actually referring to Transubstantiation? The latter is an attempt by the RCC to explain the Real Presence. There are others such as consubstantiation and we leave the whole thing unexplained, as Mystery. You do not have to subscribe to Transubstantiation, however, to believe that the bread and wine truly become the Body and Blood, which is why I'm asking whether you're interested in the belief (the Real Presence) or simply the RC explanation for it.

James

Whoa! I'm totally confused. Start from the beginning, please, and explain the explanation.

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Whoa! I'm totally confused. Start from the beginning, please, and explain the explanation.

I'm not about to try and explain the doctrine of Transubstantiation because I don't get it myself, I find it completely unnecessary to explain how the Real Presence occurs in the first place and it's part of the Scholastic approach to RC theology that simply isn't shared by the Orthodox.

I was just trying to ascertain whether Becky was actually interested in the doctrine of the Real Presence or the RC explanation of it as Transubstantiation because I've come across a number of Christians who don't seem to understand that there is a distinction between the two.

Having had her reply, that she is indeed interested in Transubstantiation, I should back out of this thread and leave an RC to answer it, though if you have a question on the topic that I can answer then I'll happily do so.

James