Scientologists - Where are They? (faith, religions, scientology) - Page 4

bunny1ohio · #31 07-08-2006, 06:45 AM

When you talk about something you give it power right? So why should the scientologists have to tell anybody anything about their beliefs? Everyone else is so curious about them they don't need to advertise... people will come to them BECAUSE they don't make things known. This to me is a very intelligent way to run a religion.

1) They believe in something that has been molded into a religious "category" called scientology... ok...
2) They don't advertise their beliefs.... why? Maybe to make people ask about it? (it sure has everyone here fired up)
3) They don't actively recruit members and therefore wind up alienating some people simply because they don't want to hear about it...
4) All their memberships are voluntary... people wouldn't be there if they didn't want to be, which leads one to believe that there must be something interesting going on there and they just ain't talkin! Why not?... and so back to the beginning of this post... because they don't have to... everyone else talks about it enough, and if it makes someone curious enough to attend o find out... well that's one heck of a recruiting racquet

I also follow a bit older school philosophy regarding religious belief anyway... "pray from your closet and I will find you".... in other words keep your beliefs to yourself and worship in private... the organization of religion is where it all went wrong. No man or woman should have a "leadership" of a church in my opinion.... it is not theirs to lead but to follow... each to their own and all that

egroen · #32 07-08-2006, 10:07 AM

They advertise, heavily. Herbal remedies, therapy, seminars, Hollywood, dianetics... It's actually a very slick marketing campaign which capitalizes on the latest trends and fads. They are sort of the Amway of religions.

-Erin

Newbie · #33 07-08-2006, 08:07 PM

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When you talk about something you give it power right? So why should the scientologists have to tell anybody anything about their beliefs? Everyone else is so curious about them they don't need to advertise... people will come to them BECAUSE they don't make things known. This to me is a very intelligent way to run a religion.

Good point.

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) They believe in something that has been molded into a religious "category" called scientology... ok...

OK.

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2) They don't advertise their beliefs.... why? Maybe to make people ask about it? (it sure has everyone here fired up)

They do advertise their beliefs. The creed of Scientology, the Aims of Scientology, The Code of Honor, The Ethics Rules, etc, etc.

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3) They don't actively recruit members and therefore wind up alienating some people simply because they don't want to hear about it...

They recruit, for the courses, for the Orgs, and for the advanced organizations.

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4) All their memberships are voluntary... people wouldn't be there if they didn't want to be, which leads one to believe that there must be something interesting going on there and they just ain't talkin! Why not?... and so back to the beginning of this post... because they don't have to... everyone else talks about it enough, and if it makes someone curious enough to attend o find out... well that's one heck of a recruiting racquet

Students are boluntary, staf has a contract (or had in standard Scientology) and there are religious orders that demand dedication for life.

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I also follow a bit older school philosophy regarding religious belief anyway... "pray from your closet and I will find you".... in other words keep your beliefs to yourself and worship in private... the organization of religion is where it all went wrong. No man or woman should have a "leadership" of a church in my opinion.... it is not theirs to lead but to follow... each to their own and all that

Thanks.

Newbie · #34 07-08-2006, 08:17 PM

Harold "Hal" Puthoff from NSA and Ingo Swann from the UN enroll in Scientology, supposedly unknown to each other. Within five years they will be at the highest levels of Scientology and under secret contract with CIA to develop remote viewing for military intelligence.

January 1971

NSA's Harold "Hal" Puthoff, one of fewer than 3,000 Scientology "Clears" in the world in 1971, has joined the ranks of a much smaller number of OT VIIs.

NSA's Hal Puthoff somehow has gotten past L. Ron Hubbard's prohibitions against government spy agency personnel being allowed access to upper-level Scientology, and has progressed up the Scientology levels to the recently-released OT VII—the highest level available. He writes a success story for a Scientology publication about having completed OT VII, saying that on a weekend he had stood outside a locked building and remotely viewed information he wanted from a building directory that he couldn't physically read from the doorway, then verified later, when the building was open, that what he had viewed remotely had been accurate. [NOTE: According to Scientology's The Auditor magazine, Special Issue March 1971, by that date there are only 2,773 Scientology "Clears" in the world. Being Clear is a prerequisite to the OT Levels. Even if 10% had gone all the way up through the higher levels by this date, Puthoff would be among only about 300 OT VIIs in the world.][52]

http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/r...ine/index.html

This people have equivalents in every Church, maiby yours, who they are?

MaddLlama · #35 07-08-2006, 10:11 PM

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More info on the Doc.

Secret government work?

Puthoff was once a United States Navy officer[citation needed] who was allegedly assigned as a liaison officer with the National Security Agency. He allegedly later became a civilian employee at NSA[citation needed]. He later joined SRI International where in 1972, together with Russell Targ, he founded a notorious remote viewing program, said to have been called Project SCANATE[citation needed], which was allegedly funded by the CIA[citation needed].
Some say that at one time Puthoff held high-level security clearances in the United States.[citation needed]

Scientology

According to at least one anti-scientology website, Puthoff is involved with Scientology. Indeed, the anonymous author(s) of this page claims he holds the rank of OTVII[citation needed]. According to anonymously posts which are purportedly leaked documents from secret Scientology manuals, this rank allegedly is described within Scientology literature as

This is a lengthy level, requiring a considerable amount of time to complete. It is the final pre-OT level, and culminates in attainment of the state of CAUSE OVER LIFE.

— A document alleged on the Internet to be an "official" Scientology description of various OT levels

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_E._Puthoff

Yeah, so what? Just because someone who works for the government has a personal religious life that means that the religion they follow must be part of a secret conspiracy to take over the government?

Logic, and the spell checker, apparently eludes you.

anyscientologist · #36 07-12-2006, 04:56 PM

Becky Soup:

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Newbie, this thread is askign where are the scientologists are, not asking for anti-scientology websites and rumor.

Hey, here we are.

egroen · #37 07-12-2006, 05:04 PM

Hey anyscientologist!
By all means, can you share with us some personal experiences with your faith?

Do you have an operating level? Can that be shared?
How do you feel about the overwhelming negative press scientology receives?
Have you read www.xenu.net ? What would be your response?
Have you given monetarily to scientology? Is your level of learning or enlightenment tied to how much you have paid?
Is Tom Cruise a positive or negative face for scientology?

Thanks!
Erin