Muslims and Judas (Jesus Christ, gospel, crucified, hell, atheist)

[Ori]

There have been many posts already today about Judas and the new/lost Gospel, so i'm trying to do something a bit different.

What does this whole situation mean for Muslims and the Islamic faith?

Or does it adhere to what you thought anyway, as some Muslims believe Judas was the one crucified.

[Nehustan]

Originally Posted by Orichalcum

There have been many posts already today about Judas and the new/lost Gospel, so i'm trying to do something a bit different.

What does this whole situation mean for Muslims and the Islamic faith?

Or does it adhere to what you thought anyway, as some Muslims believe Judas was the one crucified.

My opinion is dotted around in said threads...I think that Allah Alim...but the Quran tells us that Jesus was definately not crucified.

[bunny1ohio]

I know this is going to upset a lot of people, but I have to say it eventually. I'm not only an "atheist/agnostic" whatever *boo hiss*... I don't believe there was ever a living man called Jesus Christ ... please no throwing of stones or other heavy objects.

So to me the whole debate over the gospel of Judas is pointless anyways... BUTTTT.... if I had to choose a side I would say it is a more likely candidate for the gospels than the ones in the Bible that are "accepted" as scripture. Simply because it was originally written in the correct time frame and we have no other known works written by ANYONE who was actually in close contact with Christ. Judas was.

Let the debate rage!

[Ori]

Originally Posted by bunny1ohio

I know this is going to upset a lot of people, but I have to say it eventually. I'm not only an "atheist/agnostic" whatever *boo hiss*... I don't believe there was ever a living man called Jesus Christ ... please no throwing of stones or other heavy objects.

So to me the whole debate over the gospel of Judas is pointless anyways... BUTTTT.... if I had to choose a side I would say it is a more likely candidate for the gospels than the ones in the Bible that are "accepted" as scripture. Simply because it was originally written in the correct time frame and we have no other known works written by ANYONE who was actually in close contact with Christ. Judas was.

Let the debate rage!

Hey, wait a minute, I said Jesus didn't exist first, you copycat!

Well, i'm not actually sure of what I said, but what the hell.

[Sunstone]

Bunny, there is no evidence the Gospel of Judas was written by Judas. It was common back then for the author of a work to ascribe the work to some important person for artistic reasons, and also perhaps to give the work instant weight and creditablity.

[Zaza]

What is the Gospel of Judas? A lost chapter in the Bible?

[Nehustan]

As Salaam Alaykum wa rahmat Allah wa Barakhatu Ya Zaza, Ahlan wa Sahlan illa RF!!!!

Its a gospel that has been discussed alot lately in the west.

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by Orichalcum

What does this whole situation mean for Muslims and the Islamic faith?

Or does it adhere to what you thought anyway, as some Muslims believe Judas was the one crucified.

Judas is not mentioned by name in The Qur'an.

But this whole new story does not make sense (imo), as from a Muslim perspective God saved Jesus, peace be upon him, from that horrible death on the cross.

God made another person resemble Jesus, peace be upon him, and when this person was crucified people thought it was Jesus, but it wasn't him.

According to a leading Muslim scholar in the field of comparative religion, (Dr. Jamal Badawi), the person crucified was Judas himself, whom God punished for his betrayal of Jesus.

For further audio background, if of interest, type Judas in the search on this page:

http://www.islamonline.net/jamalbadawy/main.asp

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Cordoba

According to a leading Muslim scholar in the field of comparative religion, (Dr. Jamal Badawi), the person crucified was Judas himself, whom God punished for his betrayal of Jesus.

Yes, but this "book" alludes to the fact that Judas did not betray Jesus at all, but was merely doing what Christ asked him to do.

This idea is actually not new.... I read a book by John Dominic Crossan (I think) years ago and he proposed this very idea.... that Judas and Jesus conspired to have Jesus arrested... Judas, not understanding this would lead to his death on the cross, did what was asked of him.... when he later realized it would lead to Christ's death, that is why he returned the silver pieces and later killed himself.

This would seem to go against the opinion of Dr. Badawi... but who could know if this story is even close to being true?

God is great,
Scott

[Cordoba]

Hello Scott:

Logically-speaking, why would Jesus, peace be upon him, get involved in this alleged conspiracy?

That's what I don't understand.

His mission was to guide people to the path of God, and that was what he preached. Being arrested would prevent him from guiding people to the truth.