What do you want to know about LDS beliefs? (Jesus Christ, priests) - Page 19

i believe in tranquility · #**181** 02-09-2006, 06:08 PM

ok but why did mormons claim that GOD said that blacks were worthy by 1978?

dan · #**182** 02-09-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AlanGurvey

It seems odd that g-d found them unworthy to lead his flock in worship
until after the rise of the civil rights movement...

None of you are listening.

1 - No one said God found them unworthy. That is something you've made up and pawned off as what we teach. You have no right to do so. God just said they weren't to have it.

2 - I've noticed none of you will address the fact that God apparently finds every woman on the planet unworthy to hold the priesthood as well; especially the orthodox Jews in the crowd. Not sayin' a whole lot about that are you? You just pass right over the fact that your God, unbiased towards blacks or not, still finds all women unworthy. Perhaps you'd like to concede the fact that the situation we're discussing has nothing to do with worthiness, or perhaps you'd like to just continue ignoring all the evidence you've been demanding from us. What's it gonna be?

Squirt · #**183** 02-09-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dan

None of you are listening.

1 - No one said God found them unworthy. That is something you've made up and pawned off as what we teach. You have no right to do so. God just said they weren't to have it.

Dan,

Will you please show me where God said Blacks weren't to have the priesthood. I'm not trying to be rude; I'm just wondering where the scripture is that says this. Thanks.

dan · #**184** 02-09-2006, 07:45 PM

It was a revelation received in the infancy of the church. It is in what we consider scripture, but not canon. Issues of church administration are rarely canonized. I believe it can be found in Discourses of Brigham Young.

We were asked to provide some legitimacy for the actions our church has taken, and we have provided it, but no one wants to address it, they just ask the same stupid questions over and over again; partly because they never anticipated that what was done is perfectly logical and (most importantly)in perfect harmony with the Bible. That point alone has never been addressed by a single person engaged in this debate. The other reason is because they have no argument beyond mudraking.

Squirt · #**185** 02-09-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dan

IT was a revelation received in the infancy of the church. It is in what we consider scripture. This particular subject has nothing to do with why your religion thinks what my religion believes is crap, so save your whining. We were asked to provide some legitimacy for the actions our church has taken, and we have provided it, but no one wants to address it, they just ask the same stupid questions over and over again; partly because they never anticipated that what was done is perfectly logical and (most importantly)in perfect harmony with the Bible. That point alone has never been addressed by a single person engaged in this debate. The other reason is because they (you) have no other argument.

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure whether this last post of yours was directed to me or to someone else. I never said anything about my religion thinking your religion is "crap," so I hope you weren't addressing me. (Actually, my post was the first time I've said anything at all on this thread. All I want to know is where is this revelation found? In which of your books can I read it? Is that asking too much?)

Bishka · #**186** 02-09-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Aqualung

This is how I feel about it - God always found them worthy, but men were racist. They instituted racist policies for whatever reason. It was only with the rise of the civil rights movement that the prophet and apostles actually humbled themselves before god enough to get a real answer. Sometimes men try to do what they think is best without god's advice, and they screw up. It's hard to admit that you screwed up but, once you do, god is willing to tell you what you should be doing instead.

Does no one listen to Aqua? She gave you the damn answer so listen and stop playing like you haven't. We believe our prophets are falliable, men, just like she said, their racists ideas got in the way.

Squirt · #**187** 02-09-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dan

It was a revelation received in the infancy of the church. It is in what we consider scripture, but not canon. Issues of church administration are rarely canonized. I believe it can be found in Discourses of Brigham Young.

We were asked to provide some legitimacy for the actions our church has taken, and we have provided it, but no one wants to address it, they just ask the same stupid questions over and over again; partly because they never anticipated that what was done is perfectly logical and (most importantly)in perfect harmony with the Bible. That point alone has never been addressed by a single person engaged in this debate. The other reason is because they have no argument beyond mudraking.

Well, I know for a fact that the Discources of Brigham Young is not LDS doctrine. At least that what I've always heard LDS people say. Are you disagreeing with the others of your faith on this issue? If Brigham Young said Blacks weren't supposed to hold the priesthood, maybe it was just Brigham Young's opinion.

But you've raised another question. How can you say you consider something to be "scripture" without it being part of your "canon"? A canon is nothing more than a list of holy writings a church considers to be scriptural, or a collection of "official" doctrines of a church.

I apologize if I'm coming across as confrontational. I'm just trying to pin down this policy as doctrine.

Squirt · #**188** 02-09-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by beckysoup61

Does no one listen to Aqua? She gave you the damn answer so listen and stop playing like you haven't. We believe our prophets are falliable, men, just like she said, their racists ideas got in the way.

Good for you, beckysoup. I admire an honest answer and respect you for it.

Ody · #**189** 02-09-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dan

None of you are listening.

1 - No one said God found them unworthy. That is something you've made up and pawned off as what we teach. You have no right to do so. God just said they weren't to have it.

2 - I've noticed none of you will address the fact that God apparently finds every woman on the planet unworthy to hold the priesthood as well; especially the orthodox Jews in the crowd. Not sayin' a whole lot about that are you? You just pass right over the fact that your God, unbiased towards blacks or not, still finds all women unworthy. Perhaps you'd like to concede the fact that the situation we're discussing has nothing to do with worthiness, or perhaps you'd like to just continue ignoring all the evidence you've been demanding from us. What's it gonna be?

Aqua ty for the answer, btw im not an orthodox jew so i have no idea on why they chose to allow women t be rabbis. Reform judaism which i follow allows all genders, and people from all races to take up the role of rabbi

Aqualung · #**190** 02-09-2006, 08:27 PM

Whenever I see ty I always think they're saying tinkyou.