why sometimes and some of christians insult prophet Mohammad ? (Jesus, Moses)

[BUDDY]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

I have no problem with your belief that Mohammad was a prophet of a God called Allah.

If Allah is indeed God He is the same God, who had Jesus as his son. This must be so as there is only one God.

The teachings of Mohammad seem to sometimes agree with Christian teachings, and sometimes they do not.

This is no surprise to me as we are not the same religion.

The Question is: Could the one God lay out more then one path for mans salvation?

God in his infinite wisdom can do anything, and it seems that in his wisdom he has done so.
It is not for us to speculate as to why God would chose to do anything. But it is possible that he has chosen multiple paths for a reason.
This could be to test our love for all men. And one of the most difficult tests is to love others who follow different faiths.

The same problem arises with the different forms of the Christian faiths.
Some of us have real problems with the special beliefs of others; this is a failing in ourselves not others and never God's.

Terry_______________________________


Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.

I have to disagree there Terry. I do not believe that the God of the Bible, and Allah of the Koran can be the same spiritual entity, if for no other reason than the contradictory nature of teh two teachings. I do not think that the God of the Bible would provide one way to salvation for one group of people, and then change His mind and change the way for an entire secondary generation. That simply, from a scriptural standpoint, can not be true if you believe in the Bible. I do agree with you about a need to love our fellow men though and caring for there souls is part of the love.

[Popeyesays]

"As far as Christianity being represented by Skinheads, I am aware you are in England, and the Skinhead/White Supremecists there are especially vehement from what I have seen and heard at the soccer/football games. "

Actually, the gentleman says he is from London,. Ontario which is in Canada.
The Netherlands has an horrendous problem with skin heads - predominantly Christian.

Regards,
Scott

[Terrywoodenpic]

Originally Posted by BUDDY

I have to disagree there Terry. I do not believe that the God of the Bible, and Allah of the Koran can be the same spiritual entity, if for no other reason than the contradictory nature of teh two teachings. I do not think that the God of the Bible would provide one way to salvation for one group of people, and then change His mind and change the way for an entire secondary generation. That simply, from a scriptural standpoint, can not be true if you believe in the Bible. I do agree with you about a need to love our fellow men though and caring for there souls is part of the love.

I do not think many would disagree that the God of the old testament -followed by the Jews
and the God of the new testament - followed by Christians is the same God.
However the teachings of the two religions are quite different and distinct.
That there should be a third religion following the same God, seems no more unlikely than my first two examples.

That I personally do not believe in or follow the two other religions, in no way effects the reality of God for those other people.

In time and through the love of God we may one day have a better understanding of God's purpose. Till then we should follow such path as God has laid before us in trust and faith.





Terry_______________________





Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

"As far as Christianity being represented by Skinheads, I am aware you are in England, and the Skinhead/White Supremecists there are especially vehement from what I have seen and heard at the soccer/football games. "

Actually, the gentleman says he is from London,. Ontario which is in Canada.
The Netherlands has an horrendous problem with skin heads - predominantly Christian.

Regards,
Scott

Ahh, sorry, saw the London, and assumed it was London, England

B.

[Steve]

Christians believe their salvation is through Christs Crucifixion and resurection, they believe that christ paid for their sin on the cross making atonement between them and God, eg the Christians sin is no longer seperating them and God because Christ dealt with it for them, just as a guilty man in court cant go free unless justice is served.

So when mohummad says that he is a prophet and that Christ was not crucified how do you expect Christians to regard his claim? Combine that with much of his history and it offers nothing over christianity and worse still for someone who genuinly belives Jesus is there saviour it amounts to a form of anti-Christ in the sense that it denys the most important and sacrificial thing Christ did for us.

Also looking at islams early history in regard to its interaction with christianity dosnt help either - eg
"Over 3200 churches were destroyed or converted into mosques during the first century of Islamic Jihad alone. During the Muslim invasion of Syria in AD 634 thousands of Christians were massacred. As Mesopotamia was conquered between AD 635 and 643 many churches and monasteries were ransacked, and ministers and Christians slain."...
"The crusaders were reacting to over four centuries of relentless Islamic Jihad, which had wiped out over 50% of all the Christians in the world and conquered over 60% of all the Christian lands on earth – before the crusades even began." http://www.frontline.org.za/news/end_of_islam.htm and http://www.frontline.org.za/articles..._all_about.htm

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Steve

Christians believe their salvation is through Christs Crucifixion and resurection, they believe that christ paid for their sin on the cross making atonement between them and God, eg the Christians sin is no longer seperating them and God because Christ dealt with it for them, just as a guilty man in court cant go free unless justice is served.

So when mohummad says that he is a prophet and that Christ was not crucified how do you expect Christians to regard his claim? Combine that with much of his history and it offers nothing over christianity and worse still for someone who genuinly belives Jesus is there saviour it amounts to a form of anti-Christ in the sense that it denys the most important and sacrificial thing Christ did for us.

Also looking at islams early history in regard to its interaction with christianity dosnt help either - eg
"Over 3200 churches were destroyed or converted into mosques during the first century of Islamic Jihad alone. During the Muslim invasion of Syria in AD 634 thousands of Christians were massacred. As Mesopotamia was conquered between AD 635 and 643 many churches and monasteries were ransacked, and ministers and Christians slain."...
"The crusaders were reacting to over four centuries of relentless Islamic Jihad, which had wiped out over 50% of all the Christians in the world and conquered over 60% of all the Christian lands on earth – before the crusades even began." http://www.frontline.org.za/news/end_of_islam.htm and http://www.frontline.org.za/articles..._all_about.htm

I don't know how you expect to get a balanced outlook on Islam at Frontline Ministries which is an evangelical Christian website with no tolerance for other religions.

I would suggest the book; Muhammed and the Course of Islam, H. M. Balyuzi for a balanced look at Islam. You won't find balance in a rabidly pro-Christian, anti_everything else website.

Regards,
Scott

[Ezzedean]

Originally Posted by BUDDY

I believe that the Holy Bible tells us to beware of false teachers and to rebuke those who teach a word contrary to the one contained in the Bible. That being said, it is the responsibility of all christians to "test the spririts, whether they be from God." In doing that, we are performing the Lord's will. Christ does not teach us to just accept the teachings of anyone and everyone that comes along, in a blind manner. I think that you are completely off on this point.

I'm not an expert on the Bible but I have heard a a few verses which talk about loving your enemy even more, or something along the lines of turning the other cheek, now I'm sure something like this can only be taken so far and that it doesn't necessarily mean to accept everyone elses religion, but i'm guessing that it's more about tolerating. What I find very interesting is that you (BUDDY) talk about muslims getting offended at people talking harshly about Mohammed, but then go on to say something like this; That being said, it is the responsibility of all christians to "test the spririts, whether they be from God." In doing that, we are performing the Lord's will.

How can you jump on a muslim who is defending Mohammed when he feels necessary (and yes, he's doing it because he believes he is performing Gods will) and then go on and talk about how it's okay for you to do it? Just doesn't make much sense to me. I think it's interesting because the same way the Jewish people dont accept Jesus, the Christians don't accept Mohammed. Maybe now you can understand where the Jews were coming from when they thought Jesus was false considering you're doing the exact same thing to Mohammed.

I think this just shows how great Gods prophets were, and how much they are loved. People just dont want anything else, even if the truth slaps them in the face. Although I believe Islam is the truth, I can never say that it is, not to you or to anyone else, but we can all agree that we will find out when the day comes.

MdmSzdWhtGuy thanks for the reply, I haven't read as many books as I would like when it comes down to religion, but I'm ithcing to get started, so if you can remember the names of those books just send me a msg with the names or something.... I'd appreciate it.

Peace and Blessings
Ezzedean

[Ezzedean]

Sorry man, I just realized you gave me a title of a book... (3:23am), I'll look into that one for sure.

Peace and Blessings
Ezzu

[michel]

Originally Posted by Terrywoodenpic

I have no problem with your belief that Mohammad was a prophet of a God called Allah.

If Allah is indeed God He is the same God, who had Jesus as his son. This must be so as there is only one God.

The teachings of Mohammad seem to sometimes agree with Christian teachings, and sometimes they do not.

This is no surprise to me as we are not the same religion.

The Question is: Could the one God lay out more then one path for mans salvation?

God in his infinite wisdom can do anything, and it seems that in his wisdom he has done so.
It is not for us to speculate as to why God would chose to do anything. But it is possible that he has chosen multiple paths for a reason.
This could be to test our love for all men. And one of the most difficult tests is to love others who follow different faiths.

The same problem arises with the different forms of the Christian faiths.
Some of us have real problems with the special beliefs of others; this is a failing in ourselves not others and never God's.

Terry_______________________________


Blessed are the pure of heart, they shall behold their God.

I tend to agree; firstly, I would never 'insult' the prophet of any Religious Group. After all, I have my faith, and I would prefer to spend my life treating others as I would wish to be treated.

As long as no one else's Religious rules are forced onto me, that's fine.