Converting believers. (gospel, beliefs, hell, preaching, church)

[Enigmata]

Originally Posted by jgallandt

Now, back on track. It seems to me that it would be much more productive to try and convert people that have no religion then one's that, even according to you, have already been 'saved'. By attempting to convert someone that is already saved seems to me is showing more interest in trying to increase membership (revenue) then trying to actually 'save' a person's soul. But that's just my opinion.

Darn. I'll have to owe you some frubals for that one. Good point but what if the people that have no religion are happy with what they believe in as well.

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

I didn't say I could prove it. I said I could believe it.

I guess I can't.

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by Maize

I guess I can't.

At least we are on the same page now, though.

[Enigmata]

This is a little off topic but I think is worth saying. It has been a very long time since I have seen a debate thread go as civil and friendly as this one has. I wish I could frubal everyone that has participated so far. Hmm, maybe I will try . Either way, congratulations to all of you who have contributed.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Maize

I don't agree. I believe my religion is true for me, but I cannot say what may speak to another. I believe that every religion contains truths about who we are, why we are here and how we ought to live with ourselves and others. I do not believe in only one "true" universal religion for everyone, even my own.

Exactly ( as Jeff also said); my religion, my faith is right for me. I have no right to expect or hope that someone else will want to adopt my thoughts.

[Enigmata]

Darn. All out of frubals . Until tomarrow then .

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

How can a half dozen denominations, each teaching slightly (or drastically) different doctrines all be teachings true doctrines, Jeff? It's just not mathematically possible. I'm not saying that if a religion is not 100% true, it's 100% false, but it is a fact that the Roman Catholic Church considers itself to be "the true Church." And I personally admire that in them.

You are correct Katzpur and I agree with you.

~Victor

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by jgallandt

Kat, no one church does teach 100% God's teachings. Look at the problems the Catholic church has. Look at the way the Mormon church treated blacks for over 100 years including your prophets and B. Young himself. There is no way you can make me believe that came from God. ALL churches have their problems to iron out, and none of them are perfect. True church? There ain't one.

Jeff,

I'm not saying that the LDS leadership is infallible. I'm 100% positive that none of our prophets have ever claimed that they were. I think they make mistakes. Personally, (and I'm setting myself up for criticism from my fellow Latter-day Saints in saying this) I think that withholding the Priesthood from blacks for so long was one of those mistakes. But that's another topic entirely and I don't want to get off on it now. What I'm trying to say is that LDS policies and procedures may be flawed. I believe our General Authorities are led by the Spirit, but that doesn't mean they are immune from making mistakes or from occasionally demonstrating poor judgment. There is no doubt in my mind that my leaders have been guilty of a great many errors over the past 175 years. But when I say I believe that there can be "a true church," I mean that there can be a Church that is God's authorized organization here on earth, a Church whose leaders He communicates with, and a Church whose official doctrines (not policies and procedures) are 100% true. Even so, those doctrines might not be understood 100% accurately, even by the Church's leadership. Whether this "true Church" is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or the Roman Catholic Church -- or neither of them -- there is no logical reason why there could not be "a true Church" on the earth today. But is it an absolute impossibility that there are many true Churches. There are many Churches that contain great truths, but that's not the same. As a sidelight, I personally believe that the only two Christian churches that could possibly be "the true church" (as I've explained by understanding of that phrase) are yours and mine.

Kathryn

[jeffrey]

I agree with about 90% of what your saying, Kat. But my definition of true is 'accurate' and no church is that. Mistakes have been made