Homosexuality and Religion (ritual, beliefs, creation, America, churches)

[Ormiston]

I guess I'm just lucky. I just happen to view gays the exact same way I view straight people. And I have absolutely no trouble with my child being exposed to gay couples. I have an aunt who I respect greatly and she has been in a lesbian relationship for over 10 years. Her girlfriend comes to all of my families gatherings and is considered as much a member of the family as anyone. I've been hit on by gay men and am not threatened by them any more than I'd be threatened by an ugly woman.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Ormiston

I've been hit on by gay men and am not threatened by them any more than I'd be threatened by an ugly woman.

LOL...
You should retype that.

~Victor

[Ormiston]

Originally Posted by Victor

LOL...
You should retype that.

~Victor

...maybe you're right...?

Nah...my point is, I'm simply not interested in either. I'd like to say "equally" but I'd be lying.

[Ernestine]

Bottomline is it really doesn't matter what any of us "thinks" about homosexuality. God has spoken and indicates that men who lie with men (or women who lie with women) are something detestable to Him. So if you choose to do it--and it is definitely a choice--be prepared to deal with the consequences. Look up the word "porneia"--it will provide you with a definition of UNNATURAL sex acts that God condemns. If men were meant to be with men, God would not have bothered to create the female or vice-versa. A man's body compliments that of a woman, the primary purpose to pro-create. No matter how one might try to rationalize, deep within they know that homosexuality is wrong, hence your need to ask the question.

[Skavau]

No matter how one might try to rationalize, deep within they know that homosexuality is wrong, hence your need to ask the question.

So you're saying homosexuality is wrong because we consider that it may be wrong? I note some flaws in that apparent argument.

It seems very logically bankrupt in what it presents. Why does questioning make something wrong? Humanity has questioned all sorts of things throughout time involving sexual activity, does this mean they are all automatically wrong? And to clarify, I haven't consider homosexuality wrong at all.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Ernestine

Bottomline is it really doesn't matter what any of us "thinks" about homosexuality. God has spoken and indicates that men who lie with men (or women who lie with women) are something detestable to Him. So if you choose to do it--and it is definitely a choice--be prepared to deal with the consequences. Look up the word "porneia"--it will provide you with a definition of UNNATURAL sex acts that God condemns. If men were meant to be with men, God would not have bothered to create the female or vice-versa. A man's body compliments that of a woman, the primary purpose to pro-create. No matter how one might try to rationalize, deep within they know that homosexuality is wrong, hence your need to ask the question.

--and it is definitely a choice--

AAAArGGGGGGGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You had to ruin the fun; it is most certainly not a matter of choice.

The last thread on this subject ruled out (if I can remember correctly) Genetics, pure choice, and the jury is out on "Hormonal effects on the Fetus" during Gestation.

Ernestine, I suggest you read up on the subject of homosexuality.

Try this for a thought; Say you are Heterosexual (which I assume you are, because of your attitude). Would you choose to allow yourself to be seen as a pariah of sections of society, make sure that you are denied all the equalities afforded to heteros in day to day life, law and Religion ?

Think about it.

Originally Posted by Sunstone

Every week seems to bring yet another thread on homosexuality. Congratulations, Lions, on starting this week's thread! You'll fit in nicely around here!

I support GLBT rights because I figure it's the decent thing to do. Until someone can come up with a cogent argument why that's not so, I will continue to support GLBT rights.

On the other hand, I am against same sex marriage because always having the same kind of sex in a marriage is boring and leads to divorce.

Love it! Fruball worthy.

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by michel

Think about it.

They don't want to think about it, Michel. It's so much easier to condemn someone else and then blame it on God, rather than to try to understand someone and get to know them and love them as they are.

[Victor]

You had to ruin the fun; it is most certainly not a matter of choice.

But there is certainly a choice in having sexual relations.

~Victor

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by Victor

But there is certainly a choice in having sexual relations.

Well, I would hope so.

But for the majority of people, both gay and straight, there is not choice in orientation.

[Fluffy]

Just a note, I tend to avoid the justification that homosexuality is not a choice and therefore justified. I support the right of a man to have sex with another man whether he is homosexual or not (same goes for women). Whether it is a choice or not is irrelevant.

I am coming to the idea that nobody is 100% homosexual or heterosexual. I think of it as a sliding scale with most at one end but never right at the end if you see what I mean. I'd be very surprised if the majority if people who viewed themselves as heterosexual had not had homosexual fantasys at some point in their life and vice versa.