Do you support war and your religion? (Buddhism, beliefs, America)

[Fascist Christ]

Originally Posted by robtex

2) The attainment of divine revelation as a justification of anything is the divorce from reason and deduction in exchange for faith. To ask any nation to kill members of another nation on faith alone is poposterous.

We should remember that, if someone acts alone, and kills in the name of god, or because the voice in their head told them to, they would be locked up in a heartbeat, if not executed.

[The Black Whirlwind]

The Path of the Grey Jedi is an enigma. What would the Force want? What would the Force not want? War is necessary sometimes, unnecessary at others. Iraq... I don't know if it was necessary or not. We deposed a tyrant, which is good. We stopped the subjugation of the kurds and other minorities, which is good. the administartion lied, which is bad. I'm pretty much 50/50 on this one. The Jedi are warriors, and I would fight in or support a war that helped humanity, or my country. As Obi-wan said, "I will do what i must".

[Darkdale]

Originally Posted by corrupt_priest

i am talking about negotiations after a war, you can win a war without completely crippling you opponent (like a "total victory" would secure) and then start the negotiations to prevent further war, deal with the grievances that started the war etc

I'm cautious to agree that your premise is true in a majority of cases. It has been a while since the last time I studied the history of war, but I suspect that most of the time, violence only ended when one side was completely crippled.

World War I & II.... The Civil War...

Of course, Vietnam and Korea didn't end that way at all. Neither did the American or French Revolutionary Wars. But Romes wars against the "barbarians" did. Many of the wars between Chinese Dynasties ended with total victory. I don't know. Maybe there are circumstances when a people just lose the will to fight.

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by Darkdale

I'm cautious to agree that your premise is true in a majority of cases. It has been a while since the last time I studied the history of war, but I suspect that most of the time, violence only ended when one side was completely crippled.

World War I & II.... The Civil War...

Of course, Vietnam and Korea didn't end that way at all. Neither did the American or French Revolutionary Wars. But Romes wars against the "barbarians" did. Many of the wars between Chinese Dynasties ended with total victory. I don't know. Maybe there are circumstances when a people just lose the will to fight.

it was poor politics after the first world war that resulted in the second one - it would have been avoided if the proper negotiations for peace had taken place after WW1

their are many cases throughout history where total victory has been achieved, that does not however mean to say tha tis the best or the only way to achieve peace, it just means it is the method prefered by governments

[Darkdale]

Originally Posted by corrupt_priest

their are many cases throughout history where total victory has been achieved, that does not however mean to say tha tis the best or the only way to achieve peace, it just means it is the method prefered by governments

Given human nature being what it is, I think it should be the preferred method of rational people everywhere. Without crippling the economy, the military and/or the will of a people to fight at all, those that want to keep fighting will have the means to do so. Total Victory is the best way to create peace. It is decisive. Look at the war on drugs. Total Victory is impossible. The war on terror, in the broadest definition cannot be won. Just as the war on Communism was never won. You can only defeat nations... not ideas. You can defeat armies. You can defeat economies. But not ideas. When two ideas endlessly conflict, i.e. Palestinians v. Israel, total victory is necessary... or all you get is violence begets violence. You have faith in reason and cooler heads prevailing. While I admire the optimism, it is an extremely dangerous faith, one that can lead to many more deaths and much more destruction in the long run. In a manner of speaking, I believe Total Victory to be the compassionate goal of any nation at war.

[Mujahid]

no one has the right to kill innocent people,whatever his religion says,about 9/11,there's no way anyone could know the intensions of those who died,so it was a criminal not a moslem attack and about iraq,what in hell has 9/11 got to do with poor innocent iraqis?

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Mujahid

no one has the right to kill innocent people,whatever his religion says,about 9/11,there's no way anyone could know the intensions of those who died,so it was a criminal not a moslem attack and about iraq,what in hell has 9/11 got to do with poor innocent iraqis?

Not a thing as far as I am informed.

~Victor

[Mujahid]

Victor: i respect you for being honest

[I Panicked! At the Disco]

War is not a good thing by any means. But sometimes it is a neccessary evil. The terrorists have attacked the USA. It is up to us to hunt them down and kill them. What, you think they'll leave us alone if we just leave them alone? No. They hate Americans. They want to wipe us off the face of the Earth. We have to beat them to it. If innocent civilians are accidently killed, then that is regrettable. But good grief. This is war, not a tea party. Civilians were killed during WWII. Pearl Harbor was bombed, even when the USA wasn't involved in the war. But did the greatest generation sit back and say "Well, if we don't bomb them, maybe they won't bomb us." No way!!! Luckily, at that time, our country was mostly made of courageous people who didn't complain-who just jumped right in and did what they had to do to defend their families and their freedom. We should follow their amazing example, and do likewise.

[The Black Whirlwind]

Originally Posted by Mujahid

no one has the right to kill innocent people,whatever his religion says,about 9/11,there's no way anyone could know the intensions of those who died,so it was a criminal not a moslem attack and about iraq,what in hell has 9/11 got to do with poor innocent iraqis?

don't you know? Iraq and Al-qaueda, they both have q's in their names! This is our evidence, attack!