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[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Michel,

The poing I was trying to make was a distinction between a person who kills in the name of his religion because he feels it is his duty to do so, and a person who kills someone totally unrelated to religious reasons, and just "happens" to be a member of a given church.

It was in response to SnaleSpace who asked something along the lines of "if people from all kinds of religious backgrounds kill others, what makes the Muslims different" <---- a gross paraphrase there.

To the person being killed, the motive of the murderer makes no difference, Michel, I agree. But in regards to their potential for harm to society at large, the level of organization and the motivation for the murders makes a big difference.

A Methodist (to continue the above example) who gets mad at his wife and kills her was a danger to her, but is unlikely to be a danger to you and me, or to great numbers of people in society. A person who is a member of a religion, or political group, and feels compelled to kill great numbers of others who are not a member of his particular group, does pose a grave threat to you, me and society at large.

That is the distinction I was trying to make, in an effort to respond to a query by SnaleSpace, apologies for not being clearer earlier.

B.

[Ryan2065]

Originally Posted by MdmSzdWhtGuy

Islam is different in that it is religios people doing violence in the name of religion.

So you are saying that people never killed in the name of other religions? Or does it not count if it happened in the past? =P

And I thought the IRA killed in the name of both liberating Ireland and in the name of Christianity?

Also the KKK kills people in the name of their religion...

So to say that this does not happen even till today... that is just quite wrong and quite ignorant.

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Originally Posted by Ryan2065

So you are saying that people never killed in the name of other religions? Or does it not count if it happened in the past? =P

And I thought the IRA killed in the name of both liberating Ireland and in the name of Christianity?

Also the KKK kills people in the name of their religion...

So to say that this does not happen even till today... that is just quite wrong and quite ignorant.

Not at all. People have been killing one another in the name of religion for all of recorded history. I was responding above to a specific question by a specific poster on a specific topic. Of course religious people from religions other than Islam kill in the name of their religion. That is one of the major problems I have with organized religion of any ilk.

The Northern Ireland issue was about sovereignty to some extent, but definately had a religious aspect to it re: Catholic vs. Protestant. I don't know where you get the idea that I think only Muslims are killing for their faith.

KKK and the other references you make, I don't disagree with at all. You are showing some of the points I myself have used in the past, and will likely use again. Not sure where you got the misunderstanding that I think only Muslims kill for their religion, but that could not be farther from the truth.

B.

[Ryan2065]

I don't think I misunderstood you... I think you wrote something completely against your views then... Case and point...

Question you responded to:

I think you are misunderstanding the point here Steve. People of all religions occassionaly commit acts of violence. Why should Islam be any different from Christianity, (unless you're point is it is a more peaceful religion).

I'll rephrase for snalespace... "People of all religions occassionally commit acts of violence... Why should islam be different from Christianity?"

Your response...

Islam is different in that it is religios people doing violence in the name of religion.

So your response to the question of "What makes Islam different than christianity" was "Islam is different because its religious people do acts of violence in the name of religion" which directly implies that Christians do not do acts of violence in the name of religion...

This is exactly how it reads... I don't quite care what you "meant" because I am sick of people saying one thing and then later saying, "oh, I didn't mean that, I meant something else." Your beliefs are represented by what you say.. Right now you are coming across as a bigot who believes that all Islam are terrorists (you use those words interchangibly) and believes that Christianity differs from Islam because Islam people kill for their religion and Christians don't.

Please clear this mess up and finish the sentence that you started... "Islam differs from Christianity becasue..."

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Ryan,

It is entirely possible that I misunderstood SnaleSpace's question earlier. Let me once again attempt to be clear.

I don't think there is any difference between a person who is a Muslim killing in the name of his religion and a person who is a Christian killing in the name of his religion. They are both scumbags. Clear enough?

I attempted, and obviously failed, to point out the difference between a person who just happens to be a member of a particular faith, who just happens to kill someone, when that killing is not religiously motivated, and a person who kills others and feels it is his duty to do so based on religious teachings.

IMHO the Muslim/Christian/Jew/Hindu/Buddhist who just happens to kill someone else for reason's other than religion poses less of a threat to society at large than a Muslim/Christian/Jew/Hindu/Buddhist who feels it is his duty to kill others based on his religious tenents.

I sincerely hope that this clears things up, if not, please let me know where I went astray and I will attempt to explain further. And again, I could have been incorrect in my understanding/or lack thereof of SnaleSpace's original question. Christians who bomb abortion clinics are no better than Muslims who bomb nightclubs, the U.S.S. Cole, The Twin Towers, The Pentagon, marine barracks, U.S. Embassy's etc. . .

B.

[ChrisP]

Originally Posted by MdmSzdWhtGuy

Ryan,

It is entirely possible that I misunderstood SnaleSpace's question earlier. Let me once again attempt to be clear.

It was more of an obtuse point than a question. I will attempt to clarify here.

People are people.

Religion is Religion.

Murder is commited by people.

If people Murder in the name of religion, it is for personal reasons or personal gain.