why it's always ( ISLAM vs. CHRISTIANITY ) (Jesus Christ, Creator, Earth, Messiah)

[michel]

Originally Posted by The Truth

you don't have to be sorry and if i wanted to say that we can't live in peace together i was about to say: ISLAM vs. CHRISTIANITY but i said WHY before that to make you be sure that i mean why it's this way and why they are aginast each other.


Peace

Ah good point! I'm sorry if I misunderstood your post.

I believe that we must do what we can to stop the differences between Islam and Christianity; most of the differences, I believe, are founded on Misunderstandings. We are all brothers and sisters of God or Allah, and we should not fight.

[alowyn]

Originally Posted by The Truth

Direct command by God ???

Did God ask them direct order to fight???

Yes, i agree completely - it's not God that instructed it - man just put words in God's mouth. We manipulate God's word for our own benefit, and all crusades are nothing more than that. as my teacher used to say, "Satan is Christianity's greatest ally."

[JerryL]

I believe that we must do what we can to stop the differences between Islam and Christianity; most of the differences, I believe, are founded on Misunderstandings.

Are you in favor of enforcing religious law, as established in the Quran and OT, or are you opposed? Which religious law?

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Renaldo

As Sura 9:29 of the Qur'an declares: "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, [even if they are] of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [a special higher tax rate] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

* As i used to explain always in many threads that every single surah has several meanings because it's a holy book not just a normal book we read and every single verse has it's meaning, where, when God said it and why.

for this verse you just mentined was after Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) had finished with the unbeliever arabs then he sent messages to kings asking them to enter to Islam because God ordered prophet Mohamed (PBUH) to spread Islam ( because that king didn't allow muslims to talk to the king's people about islam while other nations allowed it and so many countries at that time from Asia and Africa entered to islam with no force with no tax just because they allowed some muslims to entet there and they liked islam ) then the king of Rome cut out the message that Prophet Mohamed sent to him.

Than, God gave the order to fight and prophet Mohamed collected an army targeting the king ( he was at that time in "Iran" i guess ) then when he is still in the middle of the way to there they got tired and there were no food and water avilable for everybody then Prophet Mohamed prayed to God so they can go back from this mission then God allowed him to do so then after prophet Mohamed (PBUH) died muslism could enter there but that after quite a while from Prophet's death.


(( no body now can do the same taking his weapon targeting to any country because that was for specific time for Prophet's army and in case also if the people of the book attacks muslims so they can defend themselves ))

and the proof is that when we read the history we can find out that even non muslism scholar were coming to muslims countries in order to seek knowledge at that time and no one could harm them and you can see also AL-ANDLOS ( spain now ) where muslims were living with people like christians and jews ( check history books ).


Peace ...

[michel]

Originally Posted by JerryL

Are you in favor of enforcing religious law, as established in the Quran and OT, or are you opposed? Which religious law?

................."I believe that we must do what we can to stop the differences between Islam and Christianity; most of the differences, I believe, are founded on Misunderstandings. We are all brothers and sisters of God or Allah, and we should not fight."....................

I am sorry that I did not make myself clear; I am in favour of whichever religion preaching and maintaining their tenets, but I think the 'differences' (as in 'arguments - areas where one appears to be contradictory to another) should have far less importance attached to them.

I could point to a post on this forum, between a Muslim and a Catholic, in which the two used language that confused both of them into thinking there was rivalry and dissent. That is what I meant.

[JerryL]

................."I believe that we must do what we can to stop the differences between Islam and Christianity; most of the differences, I believe, are founded on Misunderstandings. We are all brothers and sisters of God or Allah, and we should not fight."....................

I am sorry that I did not make myself clear; I am in favour of whichever religion preaching and maintaining their tenets, but I think the 'differences' (as in 'arguments - areas where one appears to be contradictory to another) should have far less importance attached to them.

These two beliefs are dyametrically opposed. I know Christian theonomists who would like to maintain their tennants very closely, including executing all who commit heracy by preaching false gods (such as, from their perspecive, Muslims).

When a Muslim Taliban member, wanting to closely follow his tennants, decides to allow no heracy, and a Christian Fundamnetalist attempts to follow the great commission?

Followed closely, war seems the almost unavoidable outcome of the tennants of Islam and Christianity. It's only when secularism takes hold that they can function near each other.

[Omer]

Howdy everyone;

I have just seen this thread this evening.. I totally agree with you Michel, that Christianity and Islam should emphasise similarities, and promote mutual understanding between both faith members. I got sad to see how people can hurt others' beliefs to prove their point. But I'm full of hope because there are people out there who knows that inter-faith dialogue is the key to stop hatred and misuderstandings. If we learn how to respect one another and learn from each other, I strongly believe that the winners will be both sides, as looking down on other's beliefs could make the both sides losers.

Peace and Blessings

[JerryL]

I have just seen this thread this evening.. I totally agree with you Michel, that Christianity and Islam should emphasise similarities, and promote mutual understanding between both faith members.

Wouldn't that be unloving? The Chrisians would be telling the Muslims, who are condemed to eternal hellfilre, that they are "ok", and giving them no impetus to turn from their heritical ways.

I *think* the Muslim view of eternity for Christians is a bit more positive, so it might indeed be appropriate for them.

I got sad to see how people can hurt others' beliefs to prove their point. But I'm full of hope because there are people out there who knows that inter-faith dialogue is the key to stop hatred and misuderstandings. If we learn how to respect one another and learn from each other, I strongly believe that the winners will be both sides, as looking down on other's beliefs could make the both sides losers.

Would not the people in paradise be winners and the people in hell be loosers? Compramise is a wonderful thing from a secular point-of-view, but seems self-defeating for a Christian.

[flacsmada]

People who think there can be compromise miss the point of Christianity and fall into the new age movement catoglory. Jesus says "I am the only way to God" and in the ten commandments God states "You shall have no other God but me." Now it might quickly be argued that they are the same god. This also can be dismissed on the account of the kuran states you have to do more good works to outweigh the bad to enter into the gates of that Heaven. Where the only true God is about Jesus Christ life not ours and states the only way to Heaven is through His blood atonement for our sins and not that our works can do it. Plus many other key differences. If this is not clear enough I am sorry you like to argue, but this is the simple objective truth of the matter.

Adam

[Omer]

hey flacsmada and JerryL;

flacsmada, I think the point you're missing is that in Islam it is taught that people does not enter paradise because that they did more good than evil, instead, it is through God's mercy that we will enter Paradise, because God clearly states that our prayers and good deeds never can make us enter paradise, if it isn't for God's mercy. I think learning more about each other's faiths will stop ignorance invading our minds , be it me or you who is misinterpreting other's faith.