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Old 02-08-2014, 11:39 AM
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Atheists vow to fight monument rejection in Levy County, Fla. | Religion News Service

And the 'persecution' against atheists continues. Atheists face more discrimination in this country probably more so than any religious group. Christians are allowed public displays of nativity scenes, the ten commandments, posters, billboards, and anything else selling Christianity, yet atheists get railroaded every time they try to do the same. And Christians want to cry persecution against them? Dark ages, here we come!
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The fight over it is so much more interesting than the monument itself.
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And the 'persecution' against atheists continues. Atheists face more discrimination in this country probably more so than any religious group. Christians are allowed public displays of nativity scenes, the ten commandments, posters, billboards, and anything else selling Christianity, yet atheists get railroaded every time they try to do the same. And Christians want to cry persecution against them? Dark ages, here we come!
Not sure if your comment is facetious or sincere?

Either way, I think the best way to settle this is dialogue and good old diplomacy. However, since people like to think in "black-or-white-terms", and no one in these situations really like to act like functioning adults, that's probably not going to happen.

Besides, I'm rather bored with the monument debate. There are more important things to focus our time and energy on.
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Not sure if your comment is facetious or sincere?

Either way, I think the best way to settle this is dialogue and good old diplomacy. However, since people like to think in "black-or-white-terms", and no one in these situations really like to act like functioning adults, that's probably not going to happen.
I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect the sort of people who put up Ten Commandments monuments on public property to be interested in dialogue or diplomacy.

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Beside, I'm rather bored with the monument debate. There are more important things to focus out time and energy on.
The monument issue has taken an interesting turn ever since the courts in the US ruled that religious monuments that would normally be considered unconstitutional can be grandfathered into legality in the name of "community history" if they have been in place undisputed for a long time. Because of this, many atheists have realized that they don't object to these monuments loudly and early, then they could lose the ability to get rid of them later.

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....another example of the hurdles religious minorities will face...
Since when was Atheism considered a 'religious minority group'?

However, it has reached that point in society, where people will apportion blame to anything and everything else, other than the real issue!

"you are only arresting me because I am black" (after the person breaks the law).

"you are only yelling at me because I am a woman" (after she tells a guy off).

"you are only declining our monument because we are Atheist" (after the reason is because of incorrect/missing text or the monument not being fit for the place)..

People always use their 'minority status' to try and get their own political way or as a cheap publicity stunt, when even blind freddy can see this is not the case...then, they cry 'discrimination' and take it to court.

No wonder there is such intolerance towards these minority groups now! - they created this whole situation for themselves and all I can say, is:

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"you are only declining our monument because we are Atheist" (after the reason is because of incorrect/missing text or the monument not being fit for the place)..
Neither the atheist monument nor the existing Ten Commandments monument meet the strict requirements of the County's policy:

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Definition of Suitable Items - A monument or display as used herein must meet each of the following criteria:
a. A monument or display shall include the reproduction of the entire text or
image of any document or person(s), or entirety of any item that played a
significant role in the development, origins or foundations of American or Florida
law, or Levy County; and
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...60983673,d.b2I

Neither the Ten Commandments themselves nor the slogan underneath them ("love God and keep his commandments") are "the entire text" of a document.

The County government is engaging in a double standard. And while a monument itself isn't that big a deal, it can be a litmus test for more serious matters: if they learn that they can't engage in a small amount of religious favouritism, then maybe this will teach them not to engage in more serious forms of favouritism or discrimination.
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Neither the atheist monument nor the existing Ten Commandments monument meet the strict requirements of the County's policy:


https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...60983673,d.b2I

Neither the Ten Commandments themselves nor the slogan underneath them ("love God and keep his commandments") are "the entire text" of a document.

The County government is engaging in a double standard. And while a monument itself isn't that big a deal, it can be a litmus test for more serious matters: if they learn that they can't engage in a small amount of religious favouritism, then maybe this will teach them not to engage in more serious forms of favouritism or discrimination.
In that case, religion should have nothing to do with it.

'Dear Judge; Monument X has missing text and was allowed to be erected, however, Monument Y, is not - why is this so?'

People should just forget all the heated religious emotion, and fight the law based on these 'double standards'.

Let's see them give a logical reason as to why what applies in one case, should not apply in another under the law.

This is the only reason to fight such a thing and not turn it into an Atheist vs Xtian war, or saying that Atheists are being 'persecuted against'...that's a load of rubbish! I have never heard such bull.

If people want to go that far, everybody is being 'persecuted against' for just being human, because we all have something that makes us unique from our fellow man....something we can use in court to get our own way...

This society suffers from a persecution complex and it's bad...really bad!
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There are what, 10? states, that don't allow a person to hold office if they're atheist, Christians don't have to worry about that. Atheists monuments, billboards, and bus signs are shot down each and every time; Christian one's aren't. Like it or not, atheists face far more discrimination in the states than Christians could ever dream of. I wish it wasn't that way either, but that's the reality.
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There are what, 10? states, that don't allow a person to hold office if they're atheist, Christians don't have to worry about that.
That is discriminatory though, but I bet there are many, many more Atheists than Christians in the USA if 'world trends' are anything to go by, so they are not a 'minority group' and they are not even religious!

One question (not knowing anything about American politics whatsoever), you said that 10 states don't allow a person to hold office if they're atheist. What if they are a Muslim? a Hindu? can they hold office then?

What if they believe in an unaligned deity and are theistic, but not Christian, can they hold office then?

Or is it a case of 'We don't allow you to hold office if you are not a Christian?' not necessarily if 'you are Atheist?'

So, if that is the case, where does that leave all the Theists who are not Christian?

Can one who believes in the 'Flying Spaghetti Monster' hold office then because they are Theist?

So, please answer me this...if it's only Christians who are allowed to hold office in those 10 states, or any kind of Theist who is allowed to hold office in those 10 states.
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