Surrender in Surrender in Shin Buddhism and surrender in Islam - The same?

[sandandfoam]

In Pureland Buddhism, I have read of 'inward surrender'. I take from this, and the idea of Amida, the same as I do from Islam and the idea of Allah.
What do you think?

[Bismillah]

In what manner does this surrender manifest?

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by stephenw

In Pureland Buddhism, I have read of 'inward surrender'. I take from this, and the idea of Amida, the same as I do from Islam and the idea of Allah.
What do you think?

Please provide some more detail.

[sandandfoam]

Originally Posted by Bismillah

In what manner does this surrender manifest?

"In the Shin Buddhist tradition, as we listen to the teaching we are made to realize that we can never surrender ourselves. Resistance comes from the deepest center of our karmic selves. That’s why the Buddha Amida’s compassion says, “Tai, you don’t have to surrender.” When I hear that, when I understand that I can’t do it because it’s not my nature - that it’s like saying, “Fly to the sky” - then I realize that I don’t have to surrender, yet, naturally and spontaneously, the surrender takes place by virtue of true compassion. This is “other-power” working through “self-power.” But this requires a tremendous struggle. As long as I think I can do it myself, it’s not going to work."

What I take from the above is that surrender rests on faith and is impossible without it.

"We use the expression “returning home.” When we submit to something, we’re not just giving up our egos, we’re returning to our home ground. This morning at the temple I quoted a Japanese haiku poem by Ryokan: “Return to Amida/return to Amida/so even dewdrops fall.” The dewdrops vanish, of course. So what he’s saying is that the things of this world are as fragile as dewdrops on a summer morning. So you must entrust yourself not to these things, but to immeasurable life, which is our home ground." source Even Dewdrops Fall | Tricycle

The reason I'm wondering is

"Islam is often defined as a religion, but this does not give a clear meaning of the word. Literally and in practice, it is self-surrender, submission, absolute surrender to the will, service and the commands of the One True God. It is a type of submission that will enable one to have a sense of peace within and to be free from all fears, to feel completely safe and protected. A submission and surrender that is given wholeheartedly without any doubt, and will make one readily obedient to the commands of the One True God. Therefore, Islam is not just some religion based on a simple belief or faith in something, but a total submission that is given to God alone.......
Using the Quranic fact that certain criteria must be met in all religions in order to be accepted by God, it will become clear that there is only one religion regardless of the name used for God or for the religion itself.
Anyone who accepts other than Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers. [3:85]" source Understanding Islam (Submission); Submitters Perspective March 2001

The piece I underlined really cuts to the heart of my own beliefs and I suppose sets the context for my question.

[sandandfoam]

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

Please provide some more detail.

Hi, I think the reply to Bismillah contains the detail you ask for, if not I can try again.

[Shuddhasattva]

Namaste

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this thread!

[Egyptian Phoenix]

What is said that we will never want to surrender sounds similar to some Christian thought actually.

Martin Luther said the flesh will never desire to obey God's commandments because they are contrary to the flesh. Only God within can do good works. The flesh is powerless to do good.

So does Christianity factor into this too Stephen?

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by stephenw

Using the Quranic fact that certain criteria must be met in all religions in order to be accepted by God, it will become clear that there is only one religion regardless of the name used for God or for the religion itself.
Anyone who accepts other than Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers. [3:85]" source Understanding Islam (Submission); Submitters Perspective March 2001

The piece I underlined really cuts to the heart of my own beliefs and I suppose sets the context for my question.

Did you mean the following verse/s?:

[3:85] Say, ‘We believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Tribes, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.’
[3:86] And whoso seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the losers.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please read the verse with some preceding and some following verses for the context and then please put your question again with clarity; if it is not resolved yet.

Thanks

[sandandfoam]

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

Did you mean the following verse/s?:

[3:85] Say, ‘We believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Tribes, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.’
[3:86] And whoso seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the losers.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please read the verse with some preceding and some following verses for the context and then please put your question again with clarity; if it is not resolved yet.

Thanks

I've read them.

It seems to me that Islam and Shin are saying the same thing. If you think not, why not?

[sandandfoam]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

What is said that we will never want to surrender sounds similar to some Christian thought actually.

Martin Luther said the flesh will never desire to obey God's commandments because they are contrary to the flesh. Only God within can do good works. The flesh is powerless to do good.

So does Christianity factor into this too Stephen?

I hadn't thought about it - but I don't see why not. I'm interested if you have more to add