Mohammad's Message vs Jesus' Message

[Leonardo]

Mohammad’s story is very charismatic in that it describes an illiterate man who ultimately conquers and converts the entire Middle East and northern Africa to his religious beliefs. Mohammad’s doctrine is similar to Moses’ in carry out punishments. Mohammad claims Jesus as a prophet but unlike Mohammad Jesus never outlined punishments for sins, in fact it is the opposite Jesus states a sinner cannot punish a sinner, only god can punish sins. This message is exemplified by the story of the woman that was about to be stoned for adultery and Jesus intervened to prevent it.

Muslims argue that Jesus foretells of Mohammad’s coming in the New Testament in the Gospel of John as the “Paraclete”. How can Muslims cite the New Testament foretelling the coming of Mohammad as prophetic and yet reject those very same texts becasue they are in conflict with Islamic teacings?

[Tarheeler]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

How can Muslims cite the New Testament foretelling the coming of Mohammad as prophetic and yet reject those very same texts becasue they are in conflict with Islamic teacings?

The same way Christians can cite the Tanakh as proof of Jesus and yet reject it when it conflicts with Christian teachings.

I just chalk it up as a "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" kind of situation.

[F0uad]

Where did Mohammed(saws) conquer whole the middle-east and north Africa i think i have missed that part? Its the later expansions after hes Death. Jesus(p) didn't interfere with the stoning since it was the law he was upholding according to Matthew 5:17 he knew she was innocent read the story with Matthew 5 in your mind.

The Islamic idea is that there are truths in the bible but also errors so someone can cite what he considers as the truth to proof hes case.


O and the title is misleading since muslims belief the message was the same only in different times.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by F0uad

Where did Mohammed(saws) conquer whole the middle-east and north Africa i think i have missed that part? Its the later expansions after hes Death. Jesus(p) didn't interfere with the stoning since it was the law he was upholding according to Matthew 5:17 he knew she was innocent read the story with Matthew 5 in your mind.

The Islamic idea is that there are truths in the bible but also errors so someone can cite what he considers as the truth to proof hes case.


O and the title is misleading since muslims belief the message was the same only in different times.

Ah no Mather 5 doesn't even describe the event but it is in John 8:3-11 and she is not innocent! So here the message is not to judge rather than enforce a cruel law.

[F0uad]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Ah no Mather 5 doesn't even describe the event but it is in John 8:3-11 and she is not innocent! So here the message is not to judge rather than enforce a cruel law.

1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”


Like i said read it carefully ''Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.'' so the women clearly was innocent!

Read the story again without a biased mind and keep this in mind:

Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


What is your conclusion?

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by F0uad

Like i said read it carefully ''Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.'' so the women clearly was innocent!

Ah...you seem to have left out the last sentence: “Go now and leave your life of sin.” She was not innocent. The others could not pass sentence on her because they all had their own sins. This is obivious from the text. I think you should read it carefully without bias...

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Ah...you seem to have left out the last sentence: “Go now and leave your life of sin.” She was not innocent. The others could not pass sentence on her because they all had their own sins. This is obivious from the text. I think you should read it carefully without bias...

Sin usually was not punishment for death. To just take someone accused of sin and kill them was against Jewish law. More so, Jesus never would have had the authority to condemn someone anyway. That simply is not how Jewish law worked.

On the same hand, your OP is flawed as you're comparing apples and oranges. Jesus didn't create a new religion, with new rules and regulations. He was a Jew, preaching Judaism. He in fact states clearly that his followers are supposed to follow the Jewish law to the T. Therefore, Jesus never had to outline anything as he was still Jewish, and the Jewish law still applied.

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by fallingblood

On the same hand, your OP is flawed as you're comparing apples and oranges. Jesus didn't create a new religion, with new rules and regulations. He was a Jew, preaching Judaism. He in fact states clearly that his followers are supposed to follow the Jewish law to the T. Therefore, Jesus never had to outline anything as he was still Jewish, and the Jewish law still applied.

Mohammad claims Jesus as a prophet and that he actually met with him along with Moses and other prophets and that they condoned the notion of Islam. Islam does encompase similar rules and beliefs as the Hebrews since its based on the Hebrew religion, so its not comparing apples to oranges but more like comparing a Shiraz to a Chianti...

[InvestigateTruth]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Mohammad’s story is very charismatic in that it describes an illiterate man who ultimately conquers and converts the entire Middle East and northern Africa to his religious beliefs. Mohammad’s doctrine is similar to Moses’ in carry out punishments. Mohammad claims Jesus as a prophet but unlike Mohammad Jesus never outlined punishments for sins, in fact it is the opposite Jesus states a sinner cannot punish a sinner, only god can punish sins. This message is exemplified by the story of the woman that was about to be stoned for adultery and Jesus intervened to prevent it.

Muslims argue that Jesus foretells of Mohammad’s coming in the New Testament in the Gospel of John as the “Paraclete”. How can Muslims cite the New Testament foretelling the coming of Mohammad as prophetic and yet reject those very same texts becasue they are in conflict with Islamic teacings?

If their Messages are distorted through out the ages, how can you compare their messages?
Both Christianity and Islam have several sects, each have a different understanding about their own religion.Among Christians, are the the ones that Believe Jesus is an ordinary man. Then there are some who believe Jesus was God. Some, say, only Son of God and some say only a prophet.

Among Moslem, there are some that say Prophet Muhammad was not infallible. and there are some that believe HE was perfect and infallible.

So you get a wide range of views. Which one do you want to compare with which one?

I suggest you compare only the Books!

[F0uad]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Ah...you seem to have left out the last sentence: “Go now and leave your life of sin.” She was not innocent. The others could not pass sentence on her because they all had their own sins. This is obivious from the text. I think you should read it carefully without bias...

This doesn't mean she committed adultery if she really committed it and was charged for it why didn't the Jews rebuke him for it and why didn't they punish her its the same question Jesus(p) is asking.

You forget to keep Matthew 5:17-20 in your back-mind while reading that.

Jesus(p) himself refereed to the Law more then 50 times in the NWT and he always rebukes the Pharisees by saying is it not written in the law. Jesus(p) had no political influences nor was send to establish any new laws the Jews in that time were already upholding the law. His mission was telling people that he was the messiah and to teach the Jews spirituality/mercy.


Also this:

Mohammad claims Jesus as a prophet and that he actually met with him along with Moses and other prophets and that they condoned the notion of Islam. Islam does encompase similar rules and beliefs as the Hebrews since its based on the Hebrew religion, so its not comparing apples to oranges but more like comparing a Shiraz to a Chianti...

Has nothing to do with Falling-blood said.