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Old 01-31-2012, 05:15 PM
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Ok, well I can only disagree here.



And why should it bother those that don't?



I suspect there are many more important things to worry about with regard to what is happening to our taxpayer dollars than whether some school in RI has a prayer banner on it's wall.

Of course you are free to to express the horrific harm this causes you or causes some other individual. I still don't see it. I mean so what. If they left it up another 100 years, is it going to destroy the country or something?



While I agree they may not know how to be moral without God but then I certainly don't what to be taking God away from them. This seems the more harmful an action in that case.
They are voluntarily and chronically going against the law so to favour one specific religion on PUBLIC property.

Those same christians would bash the school if the prayer was to "Mother of Heaven" or to Ganesha. Or if it was the buddha quote of not believing anyone just because they are your teacher or they say they are wise or they sar they are a priest.

It´s in public property.

The specific reason of why they are so pathetic without the God concept is because they have been made dependant on them. Now the public property is enhancing that dependance every time the prayer was sustained.
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:17 PM
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One would think that when a person uses an analogy, they have some meaning behind it. Odd that you didn't.

I get the impression that you're in this thread just to be argumentative and aren't actually trying to put forward any coherent position.
I get the impression your fishing for some reason to criticize my posts but since you're having a bit of trouble doing so decided to attack me instead.
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:19 PM
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Doesn't provide a reason to make it worse.



To what benefit? What harm is cause by a prayer banner on the wall of a public school?
That little atheist girl being a bit too uppity for ya?
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:28 PM
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They are voluntarily and chronically going against the law so to favour one specific religion on PUBLIC property.
I suspect they probably never thought of it as harmful.

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Those same christians would bash the school if the prayer was to "Mother of Heaven" or to Ganesha. Or if it was the buddha quote of not believing anyone just because they are your teacher or they say they are wise or they sar they are a priest.
You don't know that is true. Don't make the same mistake I made in thinking these Christians are less tolerant then they are.

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It´s in public property.
I've got a great solution for that.

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The specific reason of why they are so pathetic without the God concept is because they have been made dependant on them. Now the public property is enhancing that dependance every time the prayer was sustained.
Well ok, I didn't want to see the Christians running amok. However truthfully they are turning out to be more tolerant then I thought to give them credit. My bad.

So I actually take back my original objection to her actions.
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:31 PM
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That little atheist girl being a bit too uppity for ya?
Nope, just didn't see any great benefit in her actions. However Christian leaders are now using her actions to preach tolerance. So it's all good.
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You don't know that is true. Don't make the same mistake I made in thinking these Christians are less tolerant then they are.
Here's one measure of the tolerance of the Christians in question:

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Atheist teen still getting threats over campaign to remove prayer banner while vowing she will not leave school

An atheist student who successfully pushed to remove a religious banner from her Rhode Island high school as a separation of church and state says she does plan to graduate and not transfer despite increasing threats.

Jessica Ahlquist, 16, was not in school this past week telling WPRO that she was 'trying to figure some things out' while local florists refused to send her deliveries and police concluded an investigation on harassment.

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One woman posted her reaction to Miss Ahlquist's efforts over Twitter writing: 'I hope there's lots of banners in Hell when you're rotting in there you atheist f***.'

Another sent her a message saying: 'How does it feel to be the most hated person in RI? You're a puke and a disgrace to the human race.'

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Since Miss Ahlquist sued the school for the prayer banner's removal, protesters have expressed their anger through online commentary, cruel messages, thwarted yet planned student walk outs, and even t-shirts supporting the banner's display though also expected removal.
Last week school officials working with local police led an investigation over possibly threatening or harassing online messages and postings toward Miss Ahlquist.

It resulted in one student's internal discipline, according to The Providence Journal.
Four separate florists in Rhode Island also refused to make deliveries to the student leading to a formal complaint filed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation accusing 'illegal discrimination based on religion,' according to the Examiner.


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Combating the ruling's criticism, Miss Ahlquist's supporters have raised over $30,000 in a scholarship fund for her through tee-shirts reading 'Evil Little Thing.'
Those three words were used to describe her in a recent radio talk show by Democrat Cranston Representative Peter Palumbo, according to WPRO.





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Old 01-31-2012, 05:44 PM
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Nope, just didn't see any great benefit in her actions.
For starters, it takes away a symbol that, by its presence, said that disobeying the highest law of the land is no big deal... and in an institution that's supposed to be in the business of instilling character in children, no less.

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However Christian leaders are now using her actions to preach tolerance. So it's all good.
What do you think the ratio is of Christian leaders who have responded to this issue by preaching tolerance to those who have responded by preaching intolerance?
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In any group there's usually going to be a few dozen nuts. However one can't judge the entire group by the nuts.

That's why I've been referring the the Church leaders. Hopefully they'll reign in the nuts.
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In any group there's usually going to be a few dozen nuts. However one can't judge the entire group by the nuts.

That's why I've been referring the the Church leaders. Hopefully they'll reign in the nuts.
Please provide some support for your assertion that only "a few dozen nuts" have responded intolerantly to this case.
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That's why I've been referring the the Church leaders. Hopefully they'll reign in the nuts.
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About 18 clergy members from a number of faiths stood on the steps of the Edgewood Congregational Church in Cranston to call for an end to the verbal abuse and threats directed toward Jessica Ahlquist, 16, who has been the target of classmates, talk show callers and others unhappy with the federal court ruling that held a prayer banner at her Cranston High School West school must be removed.
“We come as faith leaders in good conscience to speak to all those who are intolerant, to please be intolerant, stop the verbal abuse, stop the threats,” said Reverend Matthew Kai, Pastor of the Tabernacle Baptist Church of Providence and the immediate past president of the Rhode Island State Council of Churches.
“We are not strangers coming from outside,” said Rev. Dr. Don Anderson, Executive Minister of the rhode Island State Council of Churches, and a 1966 graduate of Cranston High School West. “We love Rhode Island, we love Cranston, and we believe that the majority of people in this fair city want the hateful speech to stop.”
“Crucify her, crucify her, cry those who fear the future, and hold on to the past,” said Rev. Betsy Garland, President of the Rhode Island State Council of Churches and interim pastor of the Riverside Congregational Church, United Church of Christ. “Today, we are all Jessica Ahlquist.”
“It is Jessica today,” said Rev. Kai, “it could be me tomorrow.”



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