Science and homosexuality

[tarekabdo12]

the majority of whom have religious biases against homosexuality, and try to force science to agree with their religious beliefs

My religion disfavored alcohol, drug abuse, sex outside marriage, pork, bad manners, obesity and homosexuality before there is modern science. so why would I consider homosexuality to be healthy and normal while it's not like that?

[Agnostic75]

Originally Posted by tarekabdo12

Not to look at the body of the woman but at emotional view, her smile, words, actions then the sexual aspect will be built with time. The same is done with those who addict porn. The sexual act itself doesn't provide happiness, it's rather the emotional aspect of sex which makes people enjoy sex and leave it as happy as ever. Sex is a part of the whole life not a separate entity.

The sexual act itself is in fact quite important to millions of heterosexual men who take great pleasure in admiring and touching their wives' bodies, not just in admiring their wives' character.

Sex is generally a very strong urge in humans. It would be very frustrating for the majority of heterosexuals to give up having sex. The same goes for homosexuals. You cannot provide evidence of any reparative therapy programs that work well for the majority of homosexuals who want to give up homosexuality. In fact, even some proponents of reparative therapy have admitted that it works best by far for religiously motivated homosexuals. That shows that reparative therapy is primarily based upon theological brainwashing, not upon science.

Many homosexuals live to past 65 years of age, and are educated, kind, and friendly people. The should be judged by how they treat their neighbors, not by what their private sexual preferences are. Homosexuals who practice safe sex, eat healthy foods, do not smoke cigarettes and take drugs, and get adequate exercise, can generally expect to live long and prosper.

If you met a homosexual person for the first time, and spent the entire day with them, you could not be certain that you would know that they were a homosexual unless they told you that.

[Agnostic75]

Originally Posted by tarekabdo12

My religion disfavored alcohol, drug abuse, sex outside marriage, pork, bad manners, obesity and homosexuality before there is modern science. so why would I consider homosexuality to be healthy and normal while it's not like that?

But I do not approve of some of those things either because they are harmful. You have not provided sufficient evidence that homosexuality is more harmful than homosexuals trying to avoid having sex for decades. That would surely cause lots of physical and psychological problems for many homosexuals.

[Agnostic75]

Originally Posted by tarekabdo12

The difference in rates between societies, cultures and place of living proves that it's not innate but rather they are people who want to ignore since they don't know much about it.

You need to read the evidence that I posted more carefully. Nowhere did I, or the experts who I quoted, claim that the cause of homosexuality is innate. Rather, the vast majority of experts have stated that the causes of homosexuality are not known, and that environment might be a factor, but not the only factor. The major medical associations have certainly conducted far more research than you have.

In societies, and in families, where homosexuality is strongly opposed, particularly for religious reasons, which is the chief bias in the world against homosexuality, it is quite natural that far fewer homosexuals would admit that they are homosexuals. If a homosexual believes that God opposes homosexuality, that would obviously be a strong psycyhological incentive for them to give up homosexuality.

It is definitely a fact that you cannot produce a method of preventing homosexuality that can scientifically be proven to be generally effective for non-religious homosexuals who want to give up homosexuality. Some homosexuals have said that if given a choice, they would have chosen to have a heterosexual sexual identity in order to prevent discrimination against them.

[tarekabdo12]

Introducing a child to sexual scenes without being yet developed can modify his sexual orientation.

Originally Posted by Agnostic75

Please quote your scholarly sources.

Regardless, what options do you propose for homosexuals who are adults?

In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered.

Comparative data of childhood and adolescence... [Arch Sex Behav. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

Adolescent boys, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to identify themselves as homosexual or bisexual than peers who had not been abused (P<.001)

Sexual Abuse of Boys



I did.

[tarekabdo12]

Originally Posted by Agnostic75

You need to read the evidence that I posted more carefully. Nowhere did I, or the experts who I quoted, claim that the cause of homosexuality is innate. Rather, the vast majority of experts have stated that the causes of homosexuality are not known, and that environment might be a factor, but not the only factor. The major medical associations have certainly conducted far more research than you have.

In societies, and in families, where homosexuality is strongly opposed, particularly for religious reasons, which is the chief bias in the world against homosexuality, it is quite natural that far fewer homosexuals would admit that they are homosexuals. If a homosexual believes that God opposes homosexuality, that would obviously be a strong psycyhological incentive for them to give up homosexuality.

It is definitely a fact that you cannot produce a method of preventing homosexuality that can scientifically be proven to be generally effective for non-religious homosexuals who want to give up homosexuality. Some homosexuals have said that if given a choice, they would have chosen to have a heterosexual sexual identity in order to prevent discrimination against them.

They didn't abandon anything, it's true that many societies don't even know about it. I also know my people, most of them don't even consider it and it wasn't spread that way for long periods even in the western community until people started to feel that it's normal and they can try practicing it.

[tarekabdo12]

The experts don't know enough about it so they are not experts and they are doing logical fallacies. They are mostly guided by what they are ordered or influenced to do. The whole human physical, mental and psychological built is against this. When it was found that homosexuality is becoming rife in the community, experts tried to belittle the psychological distress and suicide rates experienced among homosexuals by confirming it as normal yet the logical and medical findings doesn't say so. The distress homosexuals find is from the stigma that is built inside themselves not because of others like the distress experienced by those who masturbate, have sex with prostitutes and those who watch porn. Yet, all of them don't die.

[tarekabdo12]

You previously posted that homosexuality doesn't lead to death.
1-Humans are more concerned with quality of life not just life and death. Homosexuality doesn't differ much from masturbating or watching porn since it's away from the normal psychology.

2-Homosexuality is associated with smoking , obesity, cancer, diabetes, HIV and others at a higher rate so it may kill.

[tarekabdo12]

Originally Posted by Agnostic75

The sexual act itself is in fact quite important to millions of heterosexual men who take great pleasure in admiring and touching their wives' bodies, not just in admiring their wives' character.

Sex is generally a very strong urge in humans. It would be very frustrating for the majority of heterosexuals to give up having sex. The same goes for homosexuals. You cannot provide evidence of any reparative therapy programs that work well for the majority of homosexuals who want to give up homosexuality. In fact, even some proponents of reparative therapy have admitted that it works best by far for religiously motivated homosexuals. That shows that reparative therapy is primarily based upon theological brainwashing, not upon science.

Many homosexuals live to past 65 years of age, and are educated, kind, and friendly people. The should be judged by how they treat their neighbors, not by what their private sexual preferences are. Homosexuals who practice safe sex, eat healthy foods, do not smoke cigarettes and take drugs, and get adequate exercise, can generally expect to live long and prosper.

If you met a homosexual person for the first time, and spent the entire day with them, you could not be certain that you would know that they were a homosexual unless they told you that.

-I didn't mean that the sexual act is not important, I meant that sex can't be ignited without emotions. Emotions build the physical happiness.

-Religious motivations is sth good, it helps but that doesn't evict the idea. Those who quit smoking get help from religious motivation, as well.

-They are not coming from hell, they are people like us. When you meet a person who is practicing masturbation-and they are multiple-they seem so lovely , as well. They are good people, this is not what we are discussing. You don't consider sb who is finding leaving a certain action he does very hard to tell you that he is so dissatisfied. This will lead him to self-torture.

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[Agnostic75]

Originally Posted by tarekabdo12

For Danish men, the environmental factors associated with higher rates of homosexual marriage include an urban birthplace and an absent or unknown father. Significantly, there was a linear relationship between degree of urbanization of birthplace and whether a man chose homosexual or heterosexual marriage as an adult. In other words, the more urban a man's birthplace, the more likely he was to marry a man, while the more rural a man's birthplace, the more likely he was to marry a woman.

Dr. Trayce Hansen's Writings

Environmental factors are crucial, that is what I'm talking about.

One major problem with that approach is that there was not a separate category for gay men who were strongly attracted to men, and not to women at all, and had virtually no latent bi-sexual urges. Logically, most of that group of gay men would practice homosexuality wherever they lived, except those who were strongly religiously motivated to stop practicing homosexuality.

Many gay men are not aware that they have latent bi-sexual urges. This has been proven many times, including occasions when supposedly completely heterosexual servicemen get separated from women for long periods of time, and become temporarily sexually attracted to men.

Interestingly, most bonobo monkeys are bi-sexual. Why did God do that?