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Old 11-10-2011, 08:21 AM
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Prayer times here today are 5:41 7:39 12:09 2:12 4:38 6:31

I got up at half six this morning to do some work. So I missed the first one. I called the kids at half 7 for school and got them ready until 0850. So I missed the second one.
Noon prayers - I said a prayer at noon but just a prayer because I'm working so no Wudu. I must pick a child up at 2.10 from school so I'll miss that one. I'll pray again tonight but it won't be at half six because that's dinner time.
I pray every day, but not 5 times.
I still don't understand why you miss it. You know there is a space of time to catch praying on time. For example, the adhan of Fajr prayer is at 5:41 am, the sunrise is at 7:39 am. So you have like two hours to pray al-Fajr. So you can manage to pray at that time.
Do you mean praying once the time of the Adhan comes?
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:23 AM
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No, you are not an apostate, lol, since you were never actually Muslim. It is best not to listen to a Christian on what makes a person Muslim, haha. If just believing Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was a messenger of God made you Muslim, then every Baha'i person would be considered Muslim.
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Ok, here is the situation. I grew up traveling. Spent a couple years in Algeria in the late 70s. Then on to Abu Dhabi and a visit or two to Saudi. Later in life I spent three years working very closely with Turks. I have also traveled Europe extensively and marveled at places like the Alhambra. I love history and tried to learn the cultrual history of the places and peoples I have lived.

I decided very early on that I had no problem believing that Mohammed was one of God's prophets. But at the same time I don't believe that he was the last or was any more special than the rest of the Biblical prophets. Now my Christian friends have said that makes me a Muslim. But if so, then am I an Apostate for not following the strict rules governing Islam? Can I believe that Mohammed was a prophet of God and not pray 5 times a day or observe ramadan?

I think I can but I'm curious about what you think too.

Also, do any other Christians out there believe that Mohammed was one of God's prophets? Does this somehow make one less of a Christian?
you might by a suffi muslim and yes that probably makes you an apostate.
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:24 AM
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I believe you haven't well grasped the time of prayer.
Well let me explain this according to you your local time of prayer
5:41 This is the Fajr or dawn prayer
7:39 this is not a time for prayer it is the time of sunrise. It is there in the prayer calendar in order to be aware that we should pray the dawn prayer between 5:41 and 7:39 that's the right time for praying the dawn prayer and you can do it at any time between those times.

12:09 This is the time of Dhuhr or noon. So you either prayer it at that time or before the next prayer which is 2:12 (afternoon prayer)

The same time of the latter you can perform it at 2:12 or at any time before the next prayer at 4:38 (the sunset prayer)
The last prayer which is the night prayer at 6:31 could be done at any time during the night.

In case you missed the time of any of the five prayers you could make them once you are able to. Let's suppose it's the time of afternoon prayer and you still haven't performed the noon prayer, you should pray the noon prayer first and then follows it with the afternoon prayer.

Once you get used to pray on time whenever you can, you will feel that you cannot do without prayer and that it is part of your daily life and duties. Prayer is a communication with God and a believer longs for that communication and for the prayer time to come to stand in front of his Creator.

I hope I made myself clear. In case, you need any help or you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask your Muslims fellows. You know that your questions are always welcome Stephen
Thank you Peace for the detailed reply.

Stephen you have us all here, you can talk to us and ask about anything at anytime.
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I think that in the long run what you are seeking is different from an Islamic POV. what I believe you are looking for is a cultural niche.
What makes you think I'm seeking anything other than knowledge? There is no confusion in my eyes as to what or who I am. But I am still curious about how others see me and the world around them. It is amazing how varied the perceptions of others are and we can learn from each of those perceptions.

This particular question stems from when I returned from the Middle East and ended up attending a Baptist Church with my grandmother. Lets just say that the perceptions there were very different from those found here, mostly anyway.

Anyway, I don't consider myself a Muslim but some more fundamental Christians I have run across have accused me of such simply for accepting Mohammed as a prophet of God. It seems to me that if I was some how a Muslim by proxy that I would be an Apostate as I don't fully believe in Islam. Just one of the many thoughts that whirl about in this strange and twisted head of mine.
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What makes you think I'm seeking anything other than knowledge? There is no confusion in my eyes as to what or who I am. But I am still curious about how others see me and the world around them. It is amazing how varied the perceptions of others are and we can learn from each of those perceptions.
OK, I may need more introduction then to what we discuss here

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Anyway, I don't consider myself a Muslim but some more fundamental Christians I have run across have accused me of such simply for accepting Mohammed as a prophet of God. It seems to me that if I was some how a Muslim by proxy that I would be an Apostate as I don't fully believe in Islam. Just one of the many thoughts that whirl about in this strange and twisted head of mine.
I can see the logic here though, professing that Muhammad is the messenger of God is part of the Muslim Shahada. I guess you are in a unique position, and it would be interesting to talk about this more.
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I can see the logic here though, professing that Muhammad is the messenger of God is part of the Muslim Shahada. I guess you are in a unique position, and it would be interesting to talk about this more.
Not as unique as you might think. There is a rather large community of Christians who have been raised in the Middle East due to oil, construction or the military. We've been called Military Brats, Construction Brats and Company Brats. Many of us have some interesting views on religion and culture.
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Not as unique as you might think. There is a rather large community of Christians who have been raised in the Middle East due to oil, construction or the military. We've been called Military Brats, Construction Brats and Company Brats. Many of us have some interesting views on religion and culture.
I actually find that fascinating. and I am sure that if we ever sit down for a cup of coffee we will have much to talk about.
I served in Arab territories, travelled the middle east, and enjoy studying the middle east and Islam in general. when its ideal, I keep it apart from political discourse. and this I think can be one of the strong points of RF. to discuss world religions for the sake of discussing world religions.
also as an interesting side note, part of my family has lived in the middle east for centuries and immigrated to Israel from North Africa a few short years after the establishment of the state of Israel.
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I actually find that fascinating. and I am sure that if we ever sit down for a cup of coffee we will have much to talk about.
I served in Arab territories, travelled the middle east, and enjoy studying the middle east and Islam in general. when its ideal, I keep it apart from political discourse. and this I think can be one of the strong points of RF. to discuss world religions for the sake of discussing world religions.
also as an interesting side note, part of my family has lived in the middle east for centuries and immigrated to Israel from North Africa a few short years after the establishment of the state of Israel.
You use the word served so I take it you were in the military. My father was/is overseas construction so I was a Construction Brat. I have noticed that while people who work or serve outside of their own country can appreciate the new cultures, they don't often alter what they already believe. But when its a child growing up outside their own country, it can drastically alter their view on the world and where they fit into it.

I'm sure coffee with you would be a wonderful experience, both educational and entertaining.
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I hope I made myself clear to you brother. In case, you need any help or you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask your Muslims fellows. You know that your questions are always welcome Stephen
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