the right religion

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Muffled

I can verify that not all men are blue from observation. The Bible doesn't mention skin color very often and certainly not as a dissertation on it.

No doubt that is circular reasoning. The reasoning should be that the Bible is right because God inspired it. No doubt knowledge of that inspiration is recorded in the Bible but that is not the proof that God ispired it (because that would be circular reasoning). It is the personal testimony of God that He inspired it that is the proof. However that proof is only available to someone with a relationship with God.

who says the bible is inspired by god, where did that idea come from?
duh...

[Connie Sue]

Originally Posted by waitasec

who says the bible is inspired by god, where did that idea come from?
duh...

Christ died for the sins of the whole world! An access is given through the word of God, but not everyone will...Ask, seek, or knock by looking into the word of God. It was first taught to the Jews then to the Gentile people!

Everyone should know from the least to the greatest

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Connie Sue

Christ died for the sins of the whole world! An access is given through the word of God,

says who?

[Connie Sue]

Originally Posted by Oryonder

Many folks have been killed on behalf of many religions. Does this make them all true ? These days it seems more Muslims are willing to die for their religion than any other (other than the really crackpot cults). Perhaps you should join Islam ?!

There was a passion for forgery at the time the Bible was put together. This much we know.

What we also know is that many passages in the Bible reflect something other than was originally written.

Even in the modern Bibles there are obvious mistranslations .. and this is from the original greek that was mistranslated to begin with.

Further .. even if we were to accept the current translation as "the word of God" .. that word contradicts itself so we still are left wondering what the true word of God is.

Salvation - You have given a Pauline version of salvation (Salvation by faith alone)

I agree that this is what Pauline scripture says and John which is a fusion of Pauline scripture other stuff. Paul never knew Jesus and neither did the writer of John.

Unfortunately, the (salvation by faith alone) mantra is contradicted by James, brother of Jesus, and Jesus himself on numerous occasions in Matt.

Matt 5:13

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What does Jesus mean by the "good for nothing to be cast out" ?

Jesus explains a couple verses later in Matt 5:16

It is good works which glorifies the Father, but Jesus is not finished there.

If there were any doubt what he was talking about .. he clarifies specifically what is required to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 5:19..20

Now fortunately for us .. the scribes and Pharasees were quite a rotten bunch so the bar is not that high.

Zero from the mouth of Jesus on salvation by faith of any kind, (and certainly not faith alone), and he is talking directly and at length about entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

Now apparently after the death of Jesus there were some that needed reminding of the words of Jesus. Folks like Paul can not be blamed because he never knew Jesus and his works do not show much knowledge of the life or saying of Jesus.

The Brother of Jesus speaks to what he thinks is the heresy of the doctrine of (salvation by faith alone) in James 2.


James 2:14

Can your faith save you ?

James 2:20

Absolutely not.

I agree that Paul sripture seems to believe in salvation by faith/faith alone, but Paul did not know Jesus.

Regardless of what Paul seems to think .. Jesus (in Matt)

In summary .. from the mouth of Jesus in Matt, and on many other occasions, stresses works with no mention of faith as the fare to enter heaven.

After the death of Jesus his brother James tries to clear up what he consideres blasphamy to the words of Jesus (salvation by faith alone).

3 times in James 2 he repeats "Faith without works is DEAD"

I don't join a religion!

What are you saying is a contradiction in the bible?

Paul is an apostle born out of due time, meaning he was not one of the chosen twelve to teach to the Remnant of Israel. Lets take one subject at a time. Which of these do you want to talk about first?

[Connie Sue]

Originally Posted by waitasec

says who?

The word of God, take a look in side!

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Connie Sue

The word of God, take a look in side!

that doesn't say anything to me...
by what criteria do you determine the bible is the word of god?

the bible isn't a criteria, the bible is a claim.

can you provide empirical evidence for the claim?


yes or no

[1robin]

Originally Posted by waitasec

that doesn't say anything to me...
by what criteria do you determine the bible is the word of god?

the bible isn't a criteria, the bible is a claim.

can you provide empirical evidence for the claim?


yes or no

Despite the revulsion of the notion. I have to agree with you. Who said that? To claim the bible is true because it says it is, is circular reasoning and not proof. I do not feel the need to repost the dozens of ways I have already done so that are suffecient and valid to show the bible as a highly reliable text.

[Connie Sue]

Originally Posted by waitasec

that doesn't say anything to me...
by what criteria do you determine the bible is the word of god?

the bible isn't a criteria, the bible is a claim.

can you provide empirical evidence for the claim?


yes or no

My faith comes from the word of God that is proof for me! If you think there is a contradiction in the bible. Throw it out there and we will discuss the scriptures! I can't give you proof that the world is right in its teaching. It just doesn't make sense that one would believe the history of men over the history of the bible (The word of God). I can give you bible proof, with scriptures on any subject!

[Connie Sue]

Originally Posted by waitasec

that doesn't say anything to me...
by what criteria do you determine the bible is the word of god?

the bible isn't a criteria, the bible is a claim.

can you provide empirical evidence for the claim?


yes or no

That is the "worlds" view!! Faith comes by hearing the word of God! The only way you can have faith in God! You got a subject, got a bible, lets look inside and see what it has to say!

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Connie Sue

My faith comes from the word of God that is proof for me! If you think there is a contradiction in the bible. Throw it out there and we will discuss the scriptures! I can't give you proof that the world is right in its teaching. It just doesn't make sense that one would believe the history of men over the history of the bible (The word of God). I can give you bible proof, with scriptures on any subject!

so your criteria is blind faith,
is that right?