Only Absolute Proof of the Hereafter

[doorknob]

Originally Posted by Orias

I actually checked out your links and it intrigued me a bit.

The term energy comes the Greek word "energeia" which is to mean work. But when you look up the definition "work" you are provided with the term, "to produce". Which seems like a dichotomy, but makes sense none the less.

I am unsure by what you mean, "religion is built from this concept, it is just the truth and facts came after the concepts".

I think to try and gain a better understanding I would say that all we have now, is because of what is and what was. So essentially everything that is created, continues to progress and create, as well as create and evolve itself.

Now I kind am relating this to the String Theory.

Oh man...

So what I got is...energy cannot be created or destroyed, yet energy is defined as mentally or physically work or produce, which means that if we were created by energy, and we use energy to create, then energy must of always been.

Which essentially leads to the concept that energy was created, by energy. This is an imploration, a provocation, which the earliest definitions of "God" arose from.

So I think I understand what you mean, and if it was I think you mean then I agree

Sorry but that isn't helpful at all. That is stuff I already knew and it pretty much reiterates what I already knew from physics class.

Perhaps it would be best if the original poster answered as they probably will be able to clarify what they are talking about. If it is only about the law of physic that states energy can never be created or destroyed only transferred to another form then I'm not sure what this debate is about? It's already a law it's been proven at this point. that means there is nothing to debate and this thread doesn't belong on a debate forum.

I do think he was trying to say more than that.

Also your use of the word create is in applicable to the content. It is incorrect to say that energy is created by energy. That is not at all what happened Energy was transferred from one form to another. It wasn't being created, the law already states that it can't be created.

Also I will go back over the thread and see if it wasn't clarified some where else and get back to this. My fault I could have done that already.

[doorknob]

Originally Posted by horizon_mj1

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Energy
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Energy+(biology)
http://www.physorg.com/news144044165.html
After viewing the above sites, it is quite plain to see that the energy creating by anything does not go away but transforms. Religion is built from this concept, it is just the truth and facts came after the concepts, don't you think?

Ok I think I do understand but misinterpreted this,

actually considering that Albert Einstein came up with it, the opposite is true it may have stemmed from a religious concept due to him being Jewish. But I will also question that since this seems to be the opposite of religious concept. Since they believe that every thing in existence was created by god yet energy is never created kind of contradictory isn't it? But it does go along with a concept that god always existed.

Since it contradicts itself. We are made out of energy there for we already existed we just weren't always alive. But this answers nothing about the mechanisms of life itself as science is still working on that one. As we still don't know what makes us alive exactly or even why we really die other than from the fact that our bodies slowly fail over time due to too many factors for me to list here. If our bodies didn't fail the would we still live forever? that would be a good question.

Also it doesn't answer the origins of life since we still don't know why things are alive or how they came to be alive. I think my one post mentions that you can only get an egg to divide for it to become another separate living being, but the egg cell was already alive to begin with. So where did the initial life come from? its the chicken or the egg question really? what came first?

Also I would like to note that the big bang theory it kind of goes against the whole laws of physics or it's kind of hard to under stand. Energy was never created so where was it before the big bang happened?

[horizon_mj1]

Originally Posted by David69

Helllo people of planet earth... If the living mind can project a person from memory and this moving image was seen and recorded by millions.. they would say thats solid proof of an after life!!! More like an after thought These projections btw are impossible without energy!

Thank you for your input. This would be cool if it could be done and from what I have heard, science may be on the verge. MIT has recently released a study that was able to confirm what minds do in their sleep (you try to figure out logical problems, yes while sleeping; how cool is that?)

[horizon_mj1]

[quote=doorknob;2432716] the definition that you supplied did not demonstrate what you are saying now. How then is it related. I will be going back over that definition to make sure I didn't some how miss something. Also I never said anything about life not being made up of energy or doing work. But the word energy is not interchangeable with life sorry.[quote]
Right here is where you are guilty of either taking things out of text or putting "words" into people's "mouths". No one said that "energy was interchangeable with life". I guess more to the point is that energy is life of itself. You should really not be so quick to judge unless you are willing to get the facts straight.

[horizon_mj1]

Originally Posted by doorknob

Ok I think I do understand but misinterpreted this,

actually considering that Albert Einstein came up with it, the opposite is true it may have stemmed from a religious concept due to him being Jewish. But I will also question that since this seems to be the opposite of religious concept. Since they believe that every thing in existence was created by god yet energy is never created kind of contradictory isn't it? But it does go along with a concept that god always existed.

Since it contradicts itself. We are made out of energy there for we already existed we just weren't always alive. But this answers nothing about the mechanisms of life itself as science is still working on that one. As we still don't know what makes us alive exactly or even why we really die other than from the fact that our bodies slowly fail over time due to too many factors for me to list here. If our bodies didn't fail the would we still live forever? that would be a good question.

I almost forgot. You mentioned "my one post mentions that you can only get an egg to divide for it to become another separate living being, but the egg cell was already alive to begin with. So where did the initial life come from? its the chicken or the egg question really? what came first?

Also I would like to note that the big bang theory it kind of goes against the whole laws of physics or it's kind of hard to under stand. Energy was never created so where was it before the big bang happened?

One thing I find intriguing about science is how it can contradict itself. This happens probably more on the macro scale, but is relevant throughout science. I guess you can say I am a creationist-evolutionist. If you look at all there is in the known universe, why should it be so easy for us to understand something so complex? What I mean by this is; If there is a Divine energy in which was responsible for "the big bang" and everything after it, why (an extreme emphasis on the why) should it be so easy to understand something so intricately complex? Maybe before the big bang there was nothing but pristine energy, this remains to be known. The egg you mentioned, well I find biology kind of creepy at times. Did you know female homosapiens (maybe other mammals) have eggs in their ovaries from birth? Does this answer the question of what came first the "chicken or the egg"; maybe not but you can get a logical deduction that maybe it was both.

I almost forgot. On the lines of living longer or "eternal" life, in current form; there has been a recient breakthrough in DNA. Scientist where able to find 7 points on a DNA strand that can be altared to immitate younger cell growth (like it does in youth). Here are a couple of sites to help explain:
http://www.johnkyrk.com/DNAanatomy.html
http://www.blc.arizona.edu/Molecular_Graphics/DNA_Structure/DNA_Tutorial.HTML
This I think can open a whole new, yet not that it wasn't thought about, "can of worms".

[David69]

Originally Posted by horizon_mj1

Thank you for your input. This would be cool if it could be done and from what I have heard, science may be on the verge. MIT has recently released a study that was able to confirm what minds do in their sleep (you try to figure out logical problems, yes while sleeping; how cool is that?)

tis a shame religion (evil manipulators of!!) has to put a far out spin on it, well, science will prevail the truth soon and religion will fall.

When we are asleep we are closer to the real us/higherself or whatever you call it, urm, lets call it our full potential! when we are awake, we are only about 10 percent. and people like me, even less Subconscious communication is the result of a well stimulated pineal gland. People like me will show possitive for dmt in a urine test.
That is the magjickle communication chemical thats produced naturally.

If the afterlife exists that will be a result of us living on through our own dna.
we dont only inherit our hair, eyes and qurks from our anscestors but also there visions and memorys! IMO anyways lol. maybe we are made up of a peace of all our anscestors, so I supose in this respect we do live on.

Thanks
David.

[horizon_mj1]

Originally Posted by David69

tis a shame religion (evil manipulators of!!) has to put a far out spin on it, well, science will prevail the truth soon and religion will fall.

When we are asleep we are closer to the real us/higherself or whatever you call it, urm, lets call it our full potential! when we are awake, we are only about 10 percent. and people like me, even less Subconscious communication is the result of a well stimulated pineal gland. People like me will show possitive for dmt in a urine test.
That is the magjickle communication chemical thats produced naturally.

If the afterlife exists that will be a result of us living on through our own dna.
we dont only inherit our hair, eyes and qurks from our anscestors but also there visions and memorys! IMO anyways lol. maybe we are made up of a peace of all our anscestors, so I supose in this respect we do live on.

Thanks
David.

I can understand some of what you are saying, but it is not all that "cut and dry". There are several keys in which you left out and some of which are not quite right, IMO.

[David69]

Originally Posted by horizon_mj1

I can understand some of what you are saying, but it is not all that "cut and dry". There are several keys in which you left out and some of which are not quite right, IMO.

Like what?? what did I leave out and whats not right? I hadnt really started lol I know what I do through experience btw

[ellenjanuary]

Originally Posted by horizon_mj1

http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Energy
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Energy+(biology)
http://www.physorg.com/news144044165.html
After viewing the above sites, it is quite plain to see that the energy creating by anything does not go away but transforms. Religion is built from this concept, it is just the truth and facts came after the concepts, don't you think?

I disagree. Religion was built from simulation. Some of the originators looked for answers; but many actually assumed oblivion, and used the soothing balm of religious folklore as a mantra to speak hereafter into being.

Besides, after? Eternity is timelessness.

[horizon_mj1]

Originally Posted by David69

Like what?? what did I leave out and whats not right? I hadnt really started lol I know what I do through experience btw

LOL! Don't get so worked up. What I mean is some of the ideas are a bit on the far side and this deems further explaination. Experience is one of the best teachers.