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Old 02-12-2011, 08:15 AM
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To the OP: Good question. I don't think God cares if we believe in him though.

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Direct contact, unequivocal evidence would reduce if not completely obliterate free will. If you were to become completely aware that God IS in fact present observing and in control of you eternal fate I am sure it would influence your behavior significantly.
Influence your decision? Yes. Obliterate your free will? No.
The fact that God isn't making his presence literally visible also influences our decisions.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:55 AM
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To the OP: Good question. I don't think God cares if we believe in him though.



Influence your decision? Yes. Obliterate your free will? No.
The fact that God isn't making his presence literally visible also influences our decisions.
OK, I accept that. It won't obliterate it. It will compromise it beyond any usefulness.
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OK, I accept that. It won't obliterate it. It will compromise it beyond any usefulness.
Does a perfectly rational person have free will?
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:12 AM
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OK, I accept that. It won't obliterate it. It will compromise it beyond any usefulness.
Oh my God! You are forcing me to acknowledge you by posting in this forum! Where did my free will go?!
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god relies on faith because that is where god reigns supreme...
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god relies on faith because that is where god reigns supreme...

God does not rely on faith because faith is of the realm of man. Metaphorically of course, God relies on man's fulfilling of His Laws. With faith or not, as long as the laws are fulfilled. Why? Because the Divine intent is that we live in peace with each other in society. That's actually how we relate to God. Esoterically, we would be stepping into the realm of God, but this is only for some few self chosen souls.
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God does not rely on faith because faith is of the realm of man. Metaphorically of course, God relies on man's fulfilling of His Laws.
but see you are giving god attributes that cannot be known...
metaphorically, how can god rely on anything?

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With faith or not, as long as the laws are fulfilled. Why? Because the Divine intent is that we live in peace with each other in society. That's actually how we relate to God. Esoterically, we would be stepping into the realm of God, but this is only for some few self chosen souls.
i cannot nor will i ever say it is divine intent, to say such a thing is to know the unknowable.
as far as i can tell nature is indifferent. it does not care what i eat, who i marry, how i have sex or if i choose to masturbate...

we are ultimately accountable to each other because no one is more moral than the other, but when we find division and strife it is when one group of people believes to be morally superior above the rest because god is on their side and somehow knows what gods law are...
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Simple: Because He gave us free will!

It's therefore up to us to arrive at our own conclusions, hopefully informed ones!

Peace, :-)

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I’m beginning to see why God doesn’t bother communicating with us, there are lots of people here on Earth apparently quite able to field any and all questions for him. His followers know his thoughts better than I know my own wife’s! I’m way behind the power curve; I’m still just trying to figure out if there is a God, let alone what he is thinking.
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