God and Depression

[Orias]

Originally Posted by AntEmpire

Is the word design a mystery to you?

Yes we would still be mankind if mankind did not design mankind.

How could mankind create itself before mankind existed. Do explain.

I don't find anything mysterious about the universe and it's nature.

"Man" or "Mankind" is a perception. Semantics plays a large role in our own creation, it's a willful acknowledgement that we as "humans" are capable of willing things into existence.

If man could not speak tongues, or provoke dialect, "man" would never exist.

[AntEmpire]

Originally Posted by Orias

I don't find anything mysterious about the universe and it's nature.

"Man" or "Mankind" is a perception. Semantics plays a large role in our own creation, it's a willful acknowledgement that we as "humans" are capable of willing things into existence.

If man could not speak tongues, or provoke dialect, "man" would never exist.

The WORD design. Not the World design, which still wouldn't be the universe.

Its a perception sure, its a perception of something that didn't create itself.

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by JMorris

this would be a case in point. a god that cynically creates other human beings with mental or physical handicaps just to test the morality of others.

Your right. It's not easy taking care of people you do not know. As far as the test goes...I place that as my own.

[Orias]

Originally Posted by AntEmpire

The WORD design. Not the World design, which still wouldn't be the universe.

Its a perception sure, its a perception of something that didn't create itself.

So we would still be if we had not given labels to describe ourselves?

Catholics, Christians, and Satanists alike would not be, had not some greater form of consciousness created them. Who would be more likely to change something than the one's who describe this given existences?

You can say that chairs, mathematics, and science exist, but I say they don't, because they are human frabrications, including the part of "being" "human".

What I am trying to get at is this, man creates himself, in the image of what his desire is.

"Man", literally did create himself, from his indigenous nature. We are beyond "existing" we are "alive", and able to perceive a form to great to comprehend, rather a lie manufactured to enslave our feeble minds.

Man comes from the consistancy of existence, which means that man's nature, is nature's nature (if that makes sense), and in turn, man's nature, created man, which created man' s nature.

We did create ourselves, from the view that even as tiny little cells, we still had an "unknown" or "unconscious" motive.

[AntEmpire]

Originally Posted by Orias

So we would still be if we had not given labels to describe ourselves?

Catholics, Christians, and Satanists alike would not be, had not some greater form of consciousness created them. Who would be more likely to change something than the one's who describe this given existences?

You can say that chairs, mathematics, and science exist, but I say they don't, because they are human frabrications, including the part of "being" "human".

What I am trying to get at is this, man creates himself, in the image of what his desire is.

"Man", literally did create himself, from his indigenous nature. We are beyond "existing" we are "alive", and able to perceive a form to great to comprehend, rather a lie manufactured to enslave our feeble minds.

Man comes from the consistancy of existence, which means that man's nature, is nature's nature (if that makes sense), and in turn, man's nature, created man, which created man' s nature.

We did create ourselves, from the view that even as tiny little cells, we still had an "unknown" or "unconscious" motive.

No more than proto-dogs created dogs. We just ******, developed language, and the word man slipped out of some of our mouths on an island in europe. I'm still not seeing the creating part.

Create:to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.

to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.

Unless you're talking about the word Human, or the concept, but those aren't the same as what a Human is, words are empty, they're dead.

[mahmoud mrt]

I have a middle degree of bipolar


The suffering is horrible, but there are good things in my life, I eat whatever I want, I play games, I work in a respectful job, I go to the mall and watch whatever movies I want.


90% of things I asked God to do for me He did.



I understand that this is a very hard test by God, and I should carry on and fight it, it’s a purification process so that I will deserve heaven by His will


I feel God in every breath, I love Him, and I pray to Him to guide me to succeed in this very difficult test.

AntEmpire: may God cure you, your sister and your mother, i know how you feel every day, i experience it, Amen


Regards

[iholdit]

Originally Posted by AntEmpire

Errr, i get to decided whether i was created or not? >_<

Like it or not you were created just ask your parents. You have no say in whether you were created or not, unless you believe this is all part of your uncreated imagination, at which point we are all created by your imagination so we are still created, except you of course.
Regarding the op. Here is how epigentics works, everything your mom and dad ate for example had an effect on you. Not just your mom and dad but even what your grandparents ate had an effect on you. So if they smoked cigarettes or drank or did drugs or ate lead paint as a kid etc. all of that ties into your genetics. So you want to blame a god for your grandmother eating lead paint?
You have to look at this from the perspective of a god. If agod created everyone to do everything that the god wanted we would all just be puppets. What is the point of that? You or i could make puppets and they can say or do whatever we want would that make us gods?
A god would make a creation that can think for itself and make its own decisions and have its own experiences etc. As already stated in this thread we would been initially made perfect but over time we would have decayed due to any poisons etc. our parents etc. ate or were exposed to in their lifetime.
You can blame a god for this but do you blame a god everytime you decide to eat something you know is unhealthy or any other mistakes you consciously make? Yet those decisions effect your offspring and the world.
Can a god fix it all? Sure, but whats the point of that. Do you follow your children around forcing them to do whatever you want like a puppet or do you let them make some of their own decisions?
We have free will and we can restore the earth and ourselves(humans) back to perfection over time. Your body can heal itself to an extent and if you follow a good diet and not be exposed to drugs or poisons etc. there is a better chance of your children not having a disease or disorder etc.
Rather than blame a god, we need to take responsibility as a whole for the world we live in and how that effects our children and their children etc.

[ninerbuff]

Originally Posted by Nothing

God did not make us with mental disorders. God made us perfect and all we need to do is realize our perfection and perfection will be tangible. WE made mental disorders because we continue to deny our natural state of perfection.
I realize what I have stated here may hold no substance for you so let me put it this way: The world as most of us perceive it is very flawed. It is as though there are threats to our security and well being around every corner and the business of security as most of us know is extremely profitable. It is in the best interest of those who provide security to perpetuate our fears so that we will continue to invest in there services.
Then there is the pharmaceutical companies. It is not in there best interest to cure mental illness for if they did they would put themselves out of business. Long term profits are perpetuated by treating symptoms rather then finding cures.
We constantly bombard ourselves through media how pathetic we are as a race, yet we seem to use this information to place ourselves above or below others. |There is much more WE have done to ourselves of course, but God had nothing to do with it other then give us free will.

It's obvious you haven't studied genetics. You do understand that many illnesses (especially mental ones) are hereditary?

[PolyHedral]

As already stated in this thread we would been initially made perfect but over time we would have decayed due to any poisons etc. our parents etc. ate or were exposed to in their lifetime.

Then we weren't perfect to begin with. The whole concept of a perfect thing decaying in any way is a contradiction.

[iholdit]

Originally Posted by PolyHedral

Then we weren't perfect to begin with. The whole concept of a perfect thing decaying in any way is a contradiction.

Would you prefer i said man was originally created without disease etc. and later acquired disease etc.?
I think we are just arguing definitions at this point.