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Old 09-03-2011, 05:13 PM
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I'll answer this question if I might.

How can I love God if I have no idea what it is or if it exists? How can I know if I want to spend eternity with God if I'm not sure what it's like?

You might say that the Bible's there for that reason, but please keep in mind that I'm not convinced that the Bible is true. How am I supposed to make these kind of decisions unless I'm given evidence (either empirical or metaphysical) to make an informed decision?

I can understand your questions. It would be difficult to love or want to spend eternity with someone you don't know. I am not advocating blind faith or believing in God or that the Bible is true just because others do. I don't think you should believe anything unless you are convinced yourself that it is true.

Why not go directly to God and sincerely ask if he exists and if the Bible is true? If God is there and He is God, He should be capable of answering you in an understandable way which will verify His existence for you.
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:20 PM
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His immorality in the old testament for one

What if God had valid reasons for the actions in the Old Testament which you call immoral?
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Why would God send people to Hell for being Good Careing Decent people?
Hell is separation from God. If you are now separated from God, you are in hell. If you are OK with that, then what's the problem?

(Actually, I don't think you can be separated from God, you can only have the illusion that you are separated from God. But, for the sake of discussion I will assume that a person really accepts him/herself as separate from God.)
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Good reasons? If he could then maybe
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Have you actually read the OT?
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Yes I have read the OT
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:33 PM
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Have you noticed that there is a pattern in OT history, that when a group of people or a nation becomes so wicked and evil God allowed or used another group or nation to invade and conquer them?
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Have you noticed that there is a pattern in OT history, that when a group of people or a nation becomes so wicked and evil God allowed or used another group or nation to invade and conquer them?
Yes I have.
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Old 09-03-2011, 05:53 PM
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Yes I have.

Have you noticed that before God brings judgment in the form of a conquering nation or any other judgment there is always warning and a long time period before it happens? Have you also noticed that It says somewhere in the OT and I'm not exactly sure without looking it up, that God does not desire the death of the wicked, but that they should turn from their evil ways and live?

Is there a particular account you have in mind which you feel shows that God is immoral?
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Have you noticed that before God brings judgment in the form of a conquering nation or any other judgment there is always warning and a long time period before it happens? Have you also noticed that It says somewhere in the OT and I'm not exactly sure without looking it up, that God does not desire the death of the wicked, but that they should turn from their evil ways and live?

Is there a particular account you have in mind which you feel shows that God is immoral?
There are quite a few. The one where God mauls 42 children to death, without warning, for making fun of Elisha.

He treats humans as plunder (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

Kidnapping and possibly rape as well (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) This means a man can rape a woman and then must take her as his wife
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