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Old 01-07-2011, 12:53 AM
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That is what I used to think until I read it and comapared it with the Bible.

No doubt the Qur'an and the Bible are the two witnesses for GOD.
are you refering to the two witnesses of Revelation? If so, what is the reasoning behind attributing the bible and quran as the witnesses?

Rev 11:3 And I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and sixty days dressed in sackcloth.
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The Qur'an or Koran contains many contents similarities to the Bible, which gives the idea that it was derived somehow from the Bible.
Does this mean that because there are similarities in the Bible from previous works that the Bible was derived somehow from those older works?

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The Bible however is the oldest book ever been written,
This is just not true:
Online Degree The 10 Oldest Books Known to Man
HowStuffWorks "What is the oldest book in the world?"

and even though there is some confusion and even some controversy over which book is the oldest, the Bible is not even in the runnings:
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the Qur'an isn't that old.
Since when does age determine accuracy?


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Another interesting point is that the Qur'an contains several points were it invites the reader to consult the Bible.
And?
The Bible contains several points where it tells the reader to refer to writing that are not in the Bible.
So what?

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All in all a true Christian respects people from all backgrounds.
I agree.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:30 AM
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are you refering to the two witnesses of Revelation? If so, what is the reasoning behind attributing the bible and quran as the witnesses?
Yes, who/what do you think the two witnesses are referring to?
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Yes, who/what do you think the two witnesses are referring to?
Certainly not the Bible or Quran. It's quite clear that those witnesses were humans.
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Certainly not the Bible or Quran. It's quite clear that those witnesses were humans.
well, at the very least sentient.
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Certainly not the Bible or Quran. It's quite clear that those witnesses were humans.
How do you know they were not humans?
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The Bible, The Qur'an and Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille
THE HOLY SCRIPTURES EXAMINED IN THE LIGHT
OF MODERN KNOWLEDGE

The Bible, The Qur'an and Science


--sura 21, verse 30:
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We clove them asunder and We got every living thing out of the water. Will they then not believe?"

"ancient and ignorant men" taking a lucky guess stab in the dark...and getting it right- over and over and over again.

"In view of the level of knowledge in Muhammad's day, it is inconceivable that many of the statements In the Qur'an which are connected with science could have been the work of a man. It is, moreover, perfectly legitimate, not only to regard the Qur'an as the expression of a Revelation, but also to award it a very special place, on account of the guarantee of authenticity it provides and the presence in it of scientific statements which, when studied today, appear as a challenge to explanation in human terms. " Dr. Maurice Bucaille (At the time a non Muslim...subsequent to his scientific examination of the Quran he converted to Islam)
Its never a good idea to take a book of faith and puport it to be a book of facts which of course it can never be.
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How do you know they were not humans?
Because the Bible and Quran are books. I have them on myself.
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Because the Bible and Quran are books. I have them on myself.
That is correct, they are books that people have on their shelfs. When people read them, they give a witness/testimony of GOD.

Not sure why people think the witnesess have to be some kind of a human form.
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While we are on the subject, does anyone recommend a good translation of the Quran that we could read? I really want to read it, but the translation can make a big difference.
Oxford University Press: The Qur'an: M. A. S. Abdel Haleem
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