Did god create us, or did we create god?

[Misty]

I don't know if there is a deity out there, all things are possible I suppose. However I am pretty sure god, as portrayed in the Bible, and all the other gods worshipped by humans are inventions of the human mind. Many people, not all, seem to have the need to worship something above and beyond themselves. Since they climbed out of the primeval swamp, they have created single and multiple deities who become the objects of their devotion, often attributing to said deities incredible and impossible feats. I don't doubt for one moment that people have religious experiences which they claim are proof that their deity exists, but I reckon all such experiences come from within the human mind. It is such an incredible organ it can convince a person black is white!

I doubt this side of the grave we will ever be able to prove or disprove the existence of a deity, and if belief in one does it for you, go for it, providing your belief system isn't abusive to others.

[Pithyoneliner]

I refer you to Voltaire: "If god did not exist it would be necessary to invent him"

[Father Heathen]

If there is a god, I think we wrapped 'em up in a more ape-like protrayal so we as a specie could relate to him better.

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Originally Posted by Misty

I don't know if there is a deity out there, all things are possible I suppose. However I am pretty sure god, as portrayed in the Bible, and all the other gods worshipped by humans are inventions of the human mind. Many people, not all, seem to have the need to worship something above and beyond themselves.

, they have created single and multiple deities who become the objects of their devotion, often attributing to said deities incredible and impossible feats. I don't doubt for one moment that people have religious experiences which they claim are proof that their deity exists, but I reckon all such experiences come from within the human mind. It is such an incredible organ it can convince a person black is white!

I doubt this side of the grave we will ever be able to prove or disprove the existence of a deity, and if belief in one does it for you, go for it, providing your belief system isn't abusive to others.

What gave you the idea they climbed out of a primevil swamp. Im afraid to say I havent heard any thing quite so rediculous as that old chestnut in my life.

If this is the Evolution Religion DIR, I appoligse.

[LuisDantas]

A little honest observation is all it takes to realize that even if there is a literal God, in practice God is indeed a human (and personal) creation.

[Nerthus]

Well, I am happy to continue to say that there is a God and He created us.

[sandandfoam]

God as presented by me is surely a product of my mind. Reality too. In a sense I created both.

Doesn't mean that either, neither or both exist independently of me

[Father Heathen]

Originally Posted by IKNOWNUFFINK

What gave you the idea they climbed out of a primevil swamp.

Science. The exact same science that makes the computer you're sitting at possible.

[IKNOWNUFFINK]

Originally Posted by Father Heathen

Science. The exact same science that makes the computer you're sitting at possible.

The following is taken from a book I am currently in he process of writing, to be published December this year, here is a sneak preview just for you my new firm forum friend father heathen.

It's "Called Chicken Soup for the Lost Soul" and is a refutation of the Richard Dawkins' God Delusion

“Science is governed by accepted laws and rules that require a strict, definite, exact, systematic study of rigidly particular, accurately verified observations of true and indisputable facts.

This precise application of facts gained through legitimate, correct, honest, researching, recording and experimentation leads to the legitimate or actual state of a matter that must be measured in strict adherence to fundamental principles and mathematical certainties in order to be definitively, distinctly and honourably quantified as something known to exist in reality by actual experience or observation before it can be something known to be the precise, correct and upright truth, truth impervious to any and all reasonable doubt.”

At the very heart and soul of the word “Science” is TRUTH.

In essence science is the human beings finest and utmost highest, honourable and valiant effort to verify record, define and explain the truth of his reality and the world in which he finds himself in.


Theory

1. A coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. A proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3.Mathematics. A body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. Contemplation or speculation.
5. Guess or conjecture.

There is no need to spend a lot more time milking the inevitable, so I will finish with this: A theory is in contrast to actual fact (the opposite) So we can quickly conclude that the theory of evolution is not science, nor is it anywhere near to being accepted as such by the vast majority in the scientific community. It hasn’t ever even been proven as actual fact for a start off. It’s only “credibility” has been given to it by the media and entertainment industries. Are the praises of any scientists on the cover of his book? No! Who is? Magicians, comedians and spin doctors of the local rag.

It obviously comes as a great cause of shame and embarrassment for Dawkins to admit that the huge majority of his peers in the international fraternity of scientists are Faith heads Christians, Muslims and agnostics. Why? Because an honest scientist deals with the truth and the truth is; irrefutable scientific evidence points to and reveals a designer AKA – God!

Which leads me to the word “conspiracy?

Conspiracy

1. The act of conspiring.
2. An evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. A combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose4. An agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. Any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
Use Conspiracy in a Sentence
This word is often accompanied by the word “theory”. A theory is no more the truth than a conspiracy is a theory. That said, “The Conspired Theory of Evolution” would be quite accurate.
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A theory is not a conspiracy, it is a theory
A conspiracy is not a theory it is a conspiracy
A conspiracy theory is an unproven theory that something is a conspiracy
An unproven theory that is presented as actual scientific fact is a conspiracy

Why then has Richard Dawkin’s a known belligerent and controversial Atheist and Theory of Evolution evangelist been awarded The Oxford Chair for the Public Understanding of Science?

The Theory of EvolutionSearch Conspiracy on the Webwhen taught as scientific truth becomes an evil treacherous and surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons and is currently being championed my Mr. Richard Dawkins. IE a Conspiracy under the guise of scientific credibility and the education establishment luminaries and the media are corrupting the whole world and its children with an insidious pernicious lie. Hello, is anybody listening?

[Onkara]

Personally think it is illogical to say that we crated God, as it then leads to the question "who created us?". The buck has to stop somewhere. The problem is when we take God as being separate to us, it implies that we can exist independently, this is not the case as God not only created, but God sustains and dissolves all that was created (this is the march of time). As to the nature of God, that becomes more clear when we see God and creation as being linked, as One. Whist a person continues to not recognise God and Creation as one, the question of creator verus creation and cause and effect will drive them around in endless circles.